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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#126: Mar 23rd 2011 at 8:08:10 PM

The whole thing about Lucas ignoring the EU really comes from the fact that allowing books and games to be made is him him just saying "Go ahead and have fun." The idea that he has to conform to the EU doesn't make that much sense to me, I can't see any person allowing that to happen to the franchise they created (Imagine if fans expected Joss Whedon to have to be consistent with EU Buffy material). And the EU itself is not even consistent unto itself, let alone the movies. Lucasfilm accepted the EU as a degree of canon in the main universe, which no other franchise I'm aware of has done. I don't think they've ever claimed that George Lucas doesn't have veto power, but fans assumed as much.

But on the other topic, Maul dying in the first film was necessary as he is the kind of person who is "One of us must die" and having both survive a confrontation brings doubt to his skills (his first battle with Qui-Gon was cut short, but that was resolved in the climactic duel). The problem with Grievous was mostly just pacing, he was reinterpreted as a skilled warrior when the odds are in his favor (and a coward when it isn't) when the original idea was pretty much another generic badass (which was entertaining enough for Star Wars Clone Wars).

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#127: Mar 23rd 2011 at 8:41:00 PM

he was reinterpreted as a skilled warrior when the odds are in his favor (and a coward when it isn't) when the original idea was pretty much another generic badass (which was entertaining enough for Star Wars: Clone Wars).
Eh, the "sometimes a badass, sometimes a coward" thing comes straight from Star Wars Clone Wars, too. In Season 3, Dooku is shown sparring with Grievous and outright tells Grievous to run away if he faces a Jedi without surprise and fear on his side.

NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#128: Mar 23rd 2011 at 8:42:32 PM

a skilled warrior when the odds are in his favor (and a coward when it isn't)

Usually we just call those cowardstongue

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#129: Mar 23rd 2011 at 9:13:29 PM

Anakin's scar was basically Lucas admitting that Hayden wasn't a believable Vader.

The parallel to Luke was an interesting one, but I don't buy it. How can Vader die as an old man if he's Luke's age at the time of his conception. Besides which, Anakin's life was so unlike Luke's that forming a dichotomy between them was purely fanwank.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#130: Mar 23rd 2011 at 9:15:17 PM

You spend 19 years wrapped up in black leather without your skin touching sunlight and see how young you look.

NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#131: Mar 23rd 2011 at 9:16:04 PM

How can Vader die as an old man

All I can do is just assume he looks that way because of the burning or something. He didn't die because he was old, though.

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#132: Mar 23rd 2011 at 9:30:26 PM

I always assumed it was a combination of the whole "my-entire-body-was-burnt" thing, and the "I-live-my-life-inside-a-cybernetic-suit" thing. Not a good combo for healthy looking skin.

Plus, maybe the use of the Dark Side helped age him too? The Dark Side making people ugly seems to be kind of a big thing in the Expanded Universe and stuff.

edited 23rd Mar '11 9:31:16 PM by Yoyoddd

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NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#133: Mar 23rd 2011 at 9:41:48 PM

The Dark Side making people ugly seems to be kind of a big thing in the Expanded Universe and stuff

-sigh- I feel like you said that to spite me...and I find it very funny.

edited 23rd Mar '11 9:42:14 PM by NULLcHiLD27

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#134: Mar 23rd 2011 at 9:48:12 PM

Well, one other guy who extensively used the Dark Side (the Emperor) also had a face like an albino prune, so I think "the Dark Side makes you ugly" would work as an explanation.

edited 23rd Mar '11 9:49:00 PM by MetaFour

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#135: Mar 23rd 2011 at 9:50:04 PM

Palpatine did get his Force Lighting redirected towards his face and it kinda melted.

vijeno from Vienna, Austria Since: Jan, 2001
#136: Mar 24th 2011 at 12:26:35 AM

Ha, I always thought Vader looked like a middle-aged beaurocrat at the end of ROTJ.

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#137: Mar 24th 2011 at 1:02:12 PM

^ So did Lucas, I dare say.

Besides, lack of sun can only do wonders for your skin. by that logic, old Vader should have looked like.....Hayden Christiansen.

Anyway, Vader's face in ROTJ made sense because he knew Obi-Wan when they were both middle-aged. By making Anakin an emo teen, it upsets all that.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#138: Mar 24th 2011 at 1:21:58 PM

I'm sick of the "He's an emo teen" thing being thrown around. Annakin had a heavy burden thrown on him by being the Chosen One, leading clones, fighting almost all the time, not being trusted, having a secret forbidden marriage, enemies that could be all around him. Seriously, you live that life and see how whiny you get.

Though I in no way agree with replacing the original old-man Annakin with Hayden Christensen.

edited 24th Mar '11 1:22:30 PM by GethKnight

NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#139: Mar 24th 2011 at 1:31:09 PM

a heavy burden thrown on him by being the Chosen One, leading clones, fighting almost all the time, not being trusted, having a secret forbidden marriage, enemies that could be all around him.

I killed the Sand-people! And not just the men, but the (helpless, defenseless) women and children!

I should be the most powerful Jedi ever!

Obi-wan doesn't understand! I'm not a little kid!

BAW!!!

He was a whiny douche, all the time, and he always thought he was better than everybody. This was before the Clone Wars started, before the marraige and when he was safe on Courasant and usually in the company of gaurds or other Jedi. There is no way this whiny asshole became Darth Vader.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#140: Mar 24th 2011 at 1:36:53 PM

Why not? Vader is just a large pissed off man. Everyone's just upset that he is now someone with emotions underneath the badass cape and cool mask.

NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#141: Mar 24th 2011 at 1:44:55 PM

[up]He had emotions, we saw him angry in the beginning of Ep4. We saw him sad when Luke asked him to come back to the Light Side.

The problem with Anakin isn't that he has emotions or problems, it's that he's annoying and whiny about everything. He doesn't really do anything productive, like talk to Obi-Wan about the way he feels he's being treated (y'know, like a real person), he just pisses and moans all the time.

G.G. Since: Dec, 1969
#142: Mar 24th 2011 at 1:54:50 PM

So it is not the display of emotions but how the actor executed it.

NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#143: Mar 24th 2011 at 2:03:48 PM

[up]Probably, I've heard Hayden is actually a good actor, so Lucas may be partly to blame for directing. I'd believe that hearing what Portman's been capable of lately and thinking about what she has done before.

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#144: Mar 24th 2011 at 2:44:55 PM

Like I said, I viewed Obi Wan as the hero and Anakin as the unlikable one from the second prequel movie onward, so I'm dissonant to all the people who hated him. Wasn't that the point? You're not supposed to like Darth Vader.

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NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#145: Mar 24th 2011 at 2:47:50 PM

[up]But we were supposed to feel bad for Anakin. That was the point of watching him fall to the Dark Side, it was supposed to be a tragedy. Since no one feels bad for him, it's just more proof that the prequels failed.

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#146: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:20:34 PM

His mother died, that was sad, feeling bad for someone disqualify you from disliking someone. I feel sorry for all the people who suffered terror attacks, but I hate their excuse to war monger because of it.(And that's a long list so I shouldn't need to list it)

I feel sorry Jeph Loeb losing his son, but I still won't buy his comics.

edited 25th Mar '11 11:44:02 AM by Cider

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NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#147: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:27:59 PM

[up]I think I see what you're saying. I agree, Anakin's mom died, but it gave him no excuse to kill the sandpeople, especially the women and children who most likely were absolutely helpless and defenseless. Atleast I think that's what you mean...

But the point of the prequels was to make Vader/Anakin a tragic character, Lucas's own words (paraphrased) if I remeber correctly.

edited 24th Mar '11 3:30:13 PM by NULLcHiLD27

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#148: Mar 24th 2011 at 4:11:52 PM

I suppose had I been following Lucas's blog or whatever, I might have a different opinion, but not having any expectations relating to hype or hearing about anyone's grand vision, I just took the films at face value.

edited 25th Mar '11 11:37:34 AM by Cider

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#149: Mar 24th 2011 at 4:14:00 PM

It was certainly a tightrope, apparently Lucas wanted to make sure that Anakin doesn't come off as Evil Is Cool and we aren't rooting for him when he does turn to the dark side. Making him whiney probably wasn't the point, trying to make him filled with anger and frustration was likely the intention. Anakin's story was meant to mirror Lukes, where Luke made good and noble decisions Anakin made evil and selfish choices. This is most apparent comparing Revenge of the Sith versus Return of the Jedi. Luke looking at his glove at the end of ROTJ was the point where he realized it doesn't take that much to fall from grace.

edited 24th Mar '11 4:39:24 PM by KJMackley

Scardoll Burn Since: Nov, 2010
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#150: Mar 24th 2011 at 5:31:37 PM

You know what would have been nice?

Planets other than Tatooine.

Fight. Struggle. Endure. Suffer. LIVE.

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