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#226: Mar 23rd 2011 at 7:58:25 AM

@kurushio: thank you for that post. Normally I would take a similar position to attempt to calm a heated situation down, but my family's views and all the things I have heard in this thread/on the news stops me from taking people on the other side of this issue seriously when they make un-substantiated or out-dated claims. (the news proving how stupid people have been about this subject)

The thing about linking to articles I can partially agree with. I think the links are perfectly fine as source material, but if you are trying to make a point (and not just put it out there for people to see/comment on), you have to explain what the point is and where in the article it comes from.

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#227: Mar 23rd 2011 at 9:19:55 AM

The only issue with "if you can't explain it succinctly you don't deserve to be heard/understood" is that nuclear issues of all stripes can get pretty damn hard to explain succinctly. I'd be willing to bet that a significant proportion of people with only a high school education, even if they have the capacity to grasp all of the complexities, don't want to. It's just easier to formulate a simplistic view like 'nuclear things blow up and irradiate everyone' or 'there's no way in hell a nuclear power plant could ever cause problems,' not that anyone in this thread has opinions like these. They're just for illustration. (And, unfortunately, quite a lot of people IRL do have opinions like those. Especially the former, at least here in the good old United States of Amerka.)

edited 23rd Mar '11 9:20:49 AM by Chalkos

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#228: Mar 23rd 2011 at 9:34:00 AM

It would help if people actually had the foggiest idea how a nuclear plants works.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#229: Mar 23rd 2011 at 9:46:11 AM

Blame the lack of basic courses in thermodynamics in schools. Which in turn you can blame on the late mathematics start.

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#230: Mar 23rd 2011 at 10:12:33 AM

I did actually learn the basics of how a nuclear power plant works in school. Judging by what knowledge I acquired over the course of the Fukushima crisis (mostly due to a raised awareness of and interest in the issue), however, I don't think my school knowledge was really enough to form a well-founded opinion. I guess, in the end, nuclear power is one of those issues people invented representative democracy for.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#232: Mar 23rd 2011 at 11:50:09 PM

Arts are related, but not the specific cause. "Oh, some kids aren't learning math fast enough to keep up with the curriculum! SLOW DOWN THE CURRICULUM TO HELP THE SLOW KIDS!" is the problem.

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#233: Mar 24th 2011 at 1:10:10 AM

I wouldn't advocate speeding up math until the math teachers stop sucking. Call me jaded after one of my teachers got called out by sixth graders for not knowing what squaring and exponents were, and then tried to fight it to save face instead of figuring it out and teaching it right.

edited 24th Mar '11 1:10:35 AM by Pykrete

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#234: Mar 24th 2011 at 1:25:00 AM

Or just make the math teachers take the basic tests. If they can't pass them, cut their teaching license.

O WAIT! Nuclear power and stuff.

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#235: Mar 24th 2011 at 7:11:44 AM

Pro of Nuclear power: If teachers fail math tests, throw them into the reactor core.

Con: Teachers make for poor reactor fuel.

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HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
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#237: Mar 24th 2011 at 12:28:31 PM

That's a lot of Bannans.

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#238: Mar 24th 2011 at 12:38:37 PM

Henceforth, I will imagine nuclear reactor's humming sounds as being "OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM"

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#239: Mar 24th 2011 at 1:16:27 PM

I love how Bananas are nuclear meme now. Should we ask for a lock? I don't think we're going to get much further.

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HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
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#240: Mar 24th 2011 at 1:43:39 PM

I'd actually like to talk about the mining process if anybody knows anything about it.

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#241: Mar 24th 2011 at 2:03:26 PM

Yeah, why do coal plants create more radiation anyway?

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#242: Mar 24th 2011 at 2:37:09 PM

Simple answer: they don't have/have lower radiation emission standards than nuclear plants because nobody understands the concept that things are radioactive if they don't glow in the dark. This combined with coals naturally high radiation levels means nobody who has power actually looks or is outvoted by people who want a profit.

Yeah, why do coal plants create more radiation anyway?

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edited 24th Mar '11 2:37:48 PM by Deboss

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#243: Mar 24th 2011 at 2:38:12 PM

Well, that, and I imagine that if we shut down all those coal power planets, a bunch of workers would be unemployed. HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY BE DOWNSIZING IN A TIME WHEN THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS JORBZ?!?

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#245: Mar 24th 2011 at 2:42:20 PM

Those won't employ nearly as many people due to higher levels of automation. Just one more way nuclear power is better.

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#246: Mar 24th 2011 at 2:43:40 PM

Yeah, but you'll employ people during the actual construction as well.

0Emmanuel Author At Work from Between Elbe and Rhine Since: Nov, 2009
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#247: Mar 24th 2011 at 2:43:47 PM

Hmpf, by the time I've finished writing this, I've been thoroughly ninja'd. wink

Uranium mining: Basically, the relevant ore is extracted via open-pit mining and then, um, processed in some way to make "yellowcake" (a mixture of different uranium oxides, mainly U 3 O 8) which is the form usually sold on the market (to be later used to make fuel rods, for example). The top 3 producers are Canada, Australia and Kazakhstan. The main health issue (apart from breathing Uranium dust) is Radon-222 which is a natural decay product from Uranium and thus very prevalent in Uranium mines. It's a radioactive gas and, like other radioactive materials, can cause cancer, especially lung cancer when breathing it in large doses. Working in enclosed cabins, ventilation systems and large quantities of water (to get the dust out of the air) are the usual precautions taken.

Radioactivity in Coal: Coal (like most ores) contains low levels of Uranium, Thorium and other radioactive isotopes. Because a lot of coal is burned these small quantities add up to significant amounts of radioactive particles released into the atmosphere.

edited 24th Mar '11 2:44:31 PM by 0Emmanuel

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#248: Mar 24th 2011 at 2:45:09 PM

Fun fact: There's more energy in the trace fissible uranium in your average lump of coal than you'd get by burning the coal.

edited 24th Mar '11 2:45:20 PM by Pykrete

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#250: Mar 24th 2011 at 2:55:22 PM

That fact is indeed quite fun.

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