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#1: Mar 13th 2011 at 4:35:50 PM

A show is more popular somewhere than someone else? If that's a problem its that its not a story telling device, at least not as how the page presents it, but its also something that's pretty easy to look at. Ratings, sales and frequency of events or advertising tell the story.

Villain Decay, the villain becomes less of a threat overtime? That is a story telling device, and how is villain gets less dangerous or villainous subjective?

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#2: Mar 13th 2011 at 4:49:50 PM

Because Villain Decay is argued about, it likely got the YMMV trope added.

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#3: Mar 13th 2011 at 5:08:34 PM

Germans Love David Hasselhoff isn't a subjective trope. Actually, it's not really a trope at all. It's an audience reaction, which means it gets lumped in with the subjective tropes. (No, it doesn't make sense to me to lump them, so don't ask me.)

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#4: Mar 13th 2011 at 5:49:01 PM

The reason Audience Reactions are lumped in with YMMV is that individual members of the audience may not agree with it, making it subjective. If it were me, I'd throw anything with trustworthy statistical figures into Trivia.

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#5: Mar 14th 2011 at 2:49:16 AM

But regardless on whether you like something or not, isn't it objective that a character/work is quite popular in a specific area?

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#6: Mar 14th 2011 at 4:50:13 AM

I agree. That's something that can actually be proven. Is there a way that could be made the exception to the rule?

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#7: Mar 14th 2011 at 4:55:10 AM

It really should be Trivia : something that's cool to know, but not a trope (it's mostly irrelevant to the actual work). I have now clue why it got down-voted in the Trivia crowner (or got shifted to YMMV).

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#8: Mar 14th 2011 at 6:03:15 AM

Agreeging with Ookamikun. "I disagree with this" does not undo "This observably happens in other places". This should be Trivia.

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#9: Mar 20th 2011 at 8:12:57 AM

You cannot prove that something is anywhere 'popular', whatever that might mean. At best, you might be able to muster some iffy statistics. Further, it makes absolutely no difference if it is or is not. At very best, 'popularity' is an opinion about an audience reaction. About as far as you can get from an objective trope.

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#10: Mar 20th 2011 at 11:30:42 AM

Still, it isn't more fitting to Trivia rather then YMMV? Subjective or not, it is not really a trope.

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#11: Mar 20th 2011 at 11:54:03 AM

This is the main issue, the trope is about a surprising surge of popularity but what is the statistical limit in order to qualify for Germans Love David Hasselhoff? I mean, last I checked he is fairly popular in America, at least on a similar level to Adam West. Statistics and numbers don't automatically equal objective fact. On the Transformers Film Series page someone listed "Malaysians Love Transformers" when I'm pretty sure, as far as numbers are concerned, that almost the entire world loved those movies.

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#12: Mar 20th 2011 at 11:56:34 AM

I've said this a few times elsewhere, but there are two kinds of YMMV:

  • Things that are about individual opinion. Your mileage may vary on these.
  • Things that are about general trends in opinion. They're about mileage varying.

edited 20th Mar '11 11:56:42 AM by INUH

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#13: Mar 29th 2011 at 7:52:17 AM

I got into a bit of a scrap cos I didn't understand the difference between Villian Decay vs Villian Pedigree vis a vis the fact that one was subjective YMMV and the other wasn't. And I am still stunned that two clear tropes where an opinion is required aren't both subjective. Lookit - Villian Pedigree means you think that there was a) a powerup or b) better portrayal of character than before right, especially when referring to the reappearance of a particular character? But whether or not something is MORE powerful is subjective ennit?

So why the heck is Villian Pedigree objective? Don't make no sense to me, and I WOULD argue the Villian Pedigree use in the case of the subject matter in question. Thoughts? Slaps?

edited 29th Mar '11 7:52:48 AM by Divineseeker

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#14: Mar 29th 2011 at 8:41:03 AM

Villain Pedigree just means that a certain breed of villains that once formed the bulk of the story's antagonists are more or less replaced by a different variety of villain (usually much stronger than the previous kind of villain). Seems pretty objective to me.

Trouble with Villain Decay is that it's all about how threatening the villain is, which raises the question of "threatening to who?" A villain who seems lame and washed up to some people can still seem menacing to others.

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