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RichReeders Official Muffin Watcher from Watching this muffin. Since: Feb, 2011
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#101: Mar 14th 2011 at 9:45:30 AM

YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN. YOU'RE CALLING FOR ARMED REBELLION AGAINST THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S BECAUSE ARMED REBELLION IS THE MOST FUN KIND. GUNS ARE INVOLVED.

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silver2195 Since: Jan, 2001
#102: Mar 14th 2011 at 11:26:07 AM

And when the ruling class is pushing for secession from the U.S. (and they are, incessantly), I'm inclined the defend the existing government.

Outside of Texas, no politician of note has even mentioned secession, as far as I remember.

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Justyn Since: Jan, 2001
#103: Mar 14th 2011 at 11:52:09 AM

@silver "2195 Outside of Texas, no politician of note has even mentioned secession, as far as I remember."

There is a fairly active secessionist movement in Alaska: in 1990, a member of the Alaskan Independence Party (which is Exactly What It Says on the Tin: a party that supports secession and autonomous sovereinty), Walter Joseph Hickel, was elected governer. And before you ask, I am not really casting judgement nor do I have any room to really: my state elected Arnold Schwarzenegger as governer twice.

HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
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#104: Mar 14th 2011 at 12:16:28 PM

The Governator doesn't really follow the Republican line on a lot of issues.

I understand that party lines are an important aspect of politics, but I really think that if politicians did what they thought was best instead of what their party thought was best more often we'd have more competent leaders more attuned to issues relating to their states.

On the other hand, as has been pointed out, the Governor of Michigan is currently not following any publicly acknowledged line.

Obviously what we need is to establish a post scarcity econnomy as soon as possible so this all turns into a big game that we play to amuse ourselves. That or we take this to logical conclusion and start selling shares of ourselves.

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OurGLORIOUSLeader Since: Dec, 1969
#105: Mar 14th 2011 at 12:21:50 PM

I understand that party lines are an important aspect of politics, but I really think that if politicians did what they thought was best instead of what their party thought was best more often we'd have more competent leaders more attuned to issues relating to their states.

lol

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#106: Mar 14th 2011 at 12:22:51 PM

If I recall, Arnold only registered Republican because Nixon opened China. Or some bollocks.

Ignoring the governator for a moment, California states seems to think that splitting into three republics would be terribly romantic.

And if their relationship is anything like NYC and Albany's, I wouldn't mind passing similar legislation.

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#107: Mar 14th 2011 at 2:12:56 PM

I can't imagine that ever passing. Whichever party is in the minority in the Senate would veto it. It'd be like 1850 all over again.

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#108: Mar 14th 2011 at 2:15:36 PM

[up] The democrats in Michigan are pretty much either non existent, or the most compliant party in the world.

All of the republican ideas and shit (like my scholarship being taken) had zero opposition.

ESPECIALLY due to the lack of any news talking about this.

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#109: Mar 14th 2011 at 2:17:19 PM

No, I was referring to breaking California up into multiple states. That would alter the senate, and at least one party is guaranteed to complain.

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#110: Mar 14th 2011 at 2:17:53 PM

[up] Gerp. Sorry. This whole thread makes me jittery and quick to respond.

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#111: Mar 14th 2011 at 6:14:52 PM

Insanity is part of the times! You must embrace it, let it fire you! - Londo Mollari

Look, I'm just not ruling anything out completely. The union isn't going to break up, probably ever; but the government is undergoing a metamorphosis, one we haven't seen before in recent history. There haven't never been this many Americans calling for open revolt since the Civil War.

edited 14th Mar '11 6:15:19 PM by johnnyfog

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Usht Lv. 3 Genasi Wizard from an arbitrary view point. Since: Feb, 2011
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#112: Mar 14th 2011 at 6:17:52 PM

Have you actually surveyed for this? Or have data to back that claim up? Because it sounds like a-

~♫ generalization based on your own personal anecdote ♪~

edited 14th Mar '11 6:18:12 PM by Usht

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HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
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#113: Mar 14th 2011 at 6:19:03 PM

Uh, that sound a little unfounded. The people who lost the Civil War? They kept calling for breakup for a loooooooooong time. Just not through force of arms.

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tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
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#114: Mar 14th 2011 at 7:20:32 PM

I'd just like to point out that when Republicans say "family values" they mean forcing their lifestyles on everyone else at the threat of a gun. and honestly I can't beleive Johnnyfog is actually content with our crrent situation with the goevernment constantly grabbing more power over our personal lives and our money. and eaving these corperations to rule over us we've gone through hell in the last few decades. We went from a Federal Republic toa National Democracy and we'r heading in the direction of a Plutocratic Oligarchy.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#115: Mar 14th 2011 at 8:09:57 PM

Hi guys, Michigander here. There are implications of this bill that no one has even touched on yet. The largest city in Michigan is Detroit, which is currently operating under a deficit (the public school system there already has an emergency financial manager). There is no way this bill isn't aimed directly at Detroit, and a few other major urban centers. Which are full of mostly poor, democratic voting African-Americans. Hate to say it, but I suspect one reason the local media isn't reporting this, and why so many Michigan citizens are complacent about it, is because of a very distinct prejudice many suburban and rural residents, who are mostly middle class Caucasians, have toward the residents of Detroit and other cities here.

I will also say this, people may be complacent now, but if the Detroit city council and Mayor are dismissed, and replaced with state-appointed emergency financial managers, stay tuned for the biggest shit-storm you have ever seen. Wisconsin will seem pale by comparison.

edited 14th Mar '11 8:11:02 PM by DeMarquis

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HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
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#116: Mar 14th 2011 at 8:12:30 PM

Do you like Michigan?

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#118: Mar 14th 2011 at 8:17:16 PM

The only thing from Michigan I'm proud of are the Red Wings and Coney Dogs.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#119: Mar 14th 2011 at 8:29:31 PM

Marquis: Since you pointed that out my response is this. Oh Shit!

edited 14th Mar '11 10:48:47 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#120: Mar 14th 2011 at 10:03:27 PM

Well, this is getting exciting.

Michigan will basically become totalitarianism of the rich, and Detroit will wind up hit by their scorn. It will become like France before the French Revolution. We all know how that ended, now don't we? Lets just hope the Koch brothers choose Detroit for a vacation spot the same exact time...

edited 14th Mar '11 10:04:46 PM by NickTheSwing

HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
Gristknife
#121: Mar 14th 2011 at 10:11:59 PM

No, not really like France at all.

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NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#122: Mar 14th 2011 at 10:13:56 PM

The fact is that the rich are stealing from the poor so they can stay rich themselves. Corporations are a bunch of greedy little things.

HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
Gristknife
#123: Mar 14th 2011 at 10:19:00 PM

In France there was ^^no taxation of the rich and high taxation of the poor, true. But the aristocrats were without fail entirely inept at government and the king lacked the intellect and skill to maintain power.

This on the other hand is a power grab, and I doubt we'll see too many bread riots.

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NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#124: Mar 14th 2011 at 10:26:16 PM

The Republicans and their constituents that they put into power in those places as emergency federal budget keepers might well be the inept aristocrats. Do these people, these corporations, really have any idea of how to govern effectively? How to maintain a town?

The King is inept too. Snyder has shown a remarkable lack of tact, what with this business happening so close to Wisconsin in times.

tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#125: Mar 14th 2011 at 10:43:31 PM

Ok in a similar note to the sterotypign and demonization of Republicans its unfair to demonize all corperations. My father's constructin business technically counts as a corperation for example and i've never noticed anything wrong with them.

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