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Nettacki Since: Jan, 2010
#3802: Jun 18th 2013 at 12:15:12 AM

I remember this being linked, but few actually discussed it. So lets discuss it a bit more. It's the Reddit post that's supposedly clearing up the issues with the XBONE.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#3803: Jun 18th 2013 at 12:24:34 AM

"Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

Nope. Fuck Microsoft. Wont even read the rest.

Instant deal breaker.

edited 18th Jun '13 12:25:10 AM by Thorn14

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#3804: Jun 18th 2013 at 12:37:01 AM

The original argument was that X-Box is banking on uneducated consumers to fuel their console sales. The information in that article was that they think the response may be a Vocal Minority and that people will love the console when they actually have it. The complexity of the new gaming system means that uneducated consumers is actually a BAD thing because they don't know what they are getting. "Come to your own conclusion" is really only based on if you think it's a good idea in the first place, not when it comes to that interpretation.

As for that Reddit article, it is certainly a better explanation of what to expect than all of the reveals and E3 had to say.

EDIT: At Corr- if you were meaning that people don't know all the features of what they are buying in general then I would agree with you, but that is certainly not something unique to the X-Box One. I wonder how many people will utilize all this new "Smart Glass" tech, probably only the people who MUST have all the best toys.

edited 18th Jun '13 1:05:30 AM by KJMackley

MichaelCra Since: Jun, 2013
caliburn Since: Sep, 2009
#3806: Jun 18th 2013 at 12:55:00 AM

MS looks to be banking on two things: clueless casuals and brand loyalty. Banking on the uninformed masses could bite them in the ass, since all they would have to do is look at the price point to know which one to get. All the NFL and CBS deals in the world can't make a console more expensive than it's competitors look appealing. As for brand loyalty, all MS needs to do is look at the PS 3 sales compared to the PS 2 to know that brand loyalty means dick all (unless you're Ninty).

PapaJimb0 Bringer of Casual from SE USA Since: May, 2013
Bringer of Casual
#3807: Jun 18th 2013 at 1:06:03 AM

Every obstacle a console manufacturer sets up to people enjoying its product will cost the manufacturer sales.

Obstacles:

1)$100 extra cost compared to PS 3 (fuggedabout Ninnie U) 2)Daily internet DRM inspection/update 3)Restrictions on which friends/how long you've known them you can 'lend' games to 4)Impediment to used game sales

One aspect of the last two obstacles I do not often see discussed is the effect used games sales (and loaners) can have on later franchise sequels sales.

Case in point: I got a used copy of AC 2, enjoyed it, bought AC 3 day one. Borrowed Go W 1 and 2 from friend, bought Go W 3 and 4 on Day One. Got arkham asylum from gamefly...purchased Arkham City on amazon sale. Purchased used Co DMW 2...bought all dlc maps to play with Thursday night beer crew.

I could go on. If the 360 worked off a similar model of DRM as the Bone I would have given Xbox publishers less money because it would been more difficult for me to have first encountered those franchises.

edited 18th Jun '13 1:07:48 AM by PapaJimb0

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#3808: Jun 18th 2013 at 1:55:06 AM

We can tell the exact moment when Micro$oft loses. It will be when they say "BUY 'MURICAN!"

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Ludlow Since: Apr, 2013
#3809: Jun 18th 2013 at 2:02:24 AM

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but has Microsoft mentioned any specific benefits of being an Online console? Are any developers taking advantage of this?

flygon250 Since: Dec, 2010
#3810: Jun 18th 2013 at 2:40:15 AM

[up]

Does the thing about using Cloud processing to improve the performance of Xbone games count? That seems a bit dubious to me, though, considering they have now stated that your games will still run once the servers are taken down at the end of the Xbone's life.

Unless it was simply meant to improve a game's game's from 30fps to 60fps, but I think I would rather have a constant 30fps than 60fps with possible lag. But yeah. I'm skeptical about the Cloud processing idea as a whole.

Ludlow Since: Apr, 2013
#3811: Jun 18th 2013 at 2:48:28 AM

I was thinking more along the lines of a creating persistent, ever changing worlds, like they keep telling us always online is supposed to do.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#3812: Jun 18th 2013 at 5:31:47 AM

@STH, two pages back: Well, I guess I should clarify that seven years ago I was around 12-13. And I remember being a clueless idiot around that time frame. But otherwise, yeah, I guess you're right.

[up]They have been pretty vague about that, haven't they? Only thing I can think of is it having something to do with DLC.

edited 18th Jun '13 5:33:50 AM by Watchtower

CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
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#3813: Jun 18th 2013 at 5:50:08 AM

At Corr- if you were meaning that people don't know all the features of what they are buying in general then I would agree with you, but that is certainly not something unique to the X-Box One. I wonder how many people will utilize all this new "Smart Glass" tech, probably only the people who MUST have all the best toys.

In that original quote I linked, they discuss the reaction to more unpopular features on the X Box One. Instead of them saying "People will love it once they have it" or "People are really misunderstanding those points" they say "Well, people don't really look at the details".

Yes, the overall gist of the article is that people will love the X Box One when they actually own one. But that's not the context of that quote.

midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#3814: Jun 18th 2013 at 9:38:02 AM

wild mass guess

Kinect 2.0 is actually a brainwashing device

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#3815: Jun 18th 2013 at 10:45:54 AM

Correct, but it is a leap to say that is what they are banking on for sales. They knew a lot of people would get up in arms over the details surrounding used games and rentals but are anticipating the positives outweighing the negatives. It's one thing for a company to state facts and another to claim it as the business model.

But whatever, this argument is going in circles.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#3816: Jun 18th 2013 at 11:08:54 AM

You know, there's one thing the 21 countries thing has done that will cause some problems. With the 360, Microsoft tried to get the jRPG gamers on board by getting 5 games on their console. It sort of worked but then fell apart because they failed to back it up.

With the Xbox One, Microsoft is completely removing any incentive Japanese companies have to develop for them. Atlus, Marvelous, Image Epoch, Idea Factory, Nippon Ichi and so on, they have absolutely no reason to develop for the Xbox, when they get around to the next generation anyway. Hell, Nippon Ichi has announced they are working on PS 4 games already.

(granted, most of them have no indication of working on the PS 4 either, instead looking at the Vita and the PS 3, or the 3DS)

edited 18th Jun '13 11:30:43 AM by Zendervai

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#3818: Jun 18th 2013 at 11:32:45 AM

Well, damn.

Heh, sad for the Xbox, especially if they get into legal trouble if they disobey the bill if it passes.

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Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#3819: Jun 18th 2013 at 11:37:48 AM

Wait, I thought the Government was vouching for this sort of stuff.

Still, more power to them.

edited 18th Jun '13 11:37:57 AM by Psyga315

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#3820: Jun 18th 2013 at 11:41:56 AM

[up]The government is not a monolithic entity. Many do support increased surveillance but there are members on both sides that oppose this sort of thing.

OdieFromTheOz KING OF EXPLODO KILLS from Shadow Mosses Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#3822: Jun 18th 2013 at 11:48:59 AM

No one in the government would ever realistically try to get cameras in the homes of citizens.

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Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#3823: Jun 18th 2013 at 11:55:04 AM

Or... wild mass guessthey're trying to backpedal from that controversy involving PRISM or something like that.wild mass guess

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#3824: Jun 18th 2013 at 12:07:51 PM

The article said this was a 2012 bill, though, and PRISM only came to light recently.

EDIT: Sorry, a bill drafted in 2012. It hasn't gotten anywhere near a vote yet, I think.

edited 18th Jun '13 12:08:39 PM by Discar

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#3825: Jun 18th 2013 at 12:13:06 PM

Nah, of course they'd never do that...They'd just surveil all of our existing communication devices. ^_^


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