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Chiibi Since: Aug, 2009
#151: Mar 20th 2011 at 7:32:41 PM

"It all looks the same".

1. yeah, not really. 2. DISNEY CHARACTERS, ANYONE? AMERICAN COMICS!?

lol

Pretty much the only good excuse I've heard is "my ex loved it and it reminds me of him so I can't stand it".

Okay........that's understandable.

edited 20th Mar '11 7:33:35 PM by Chiibi

Anarchy just a medicine seller from Perak, Malaysia Since: Jun, 2010
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#152: Mar 20th 2011 at 8:14:06 PM

Substitute "books/movies/music/any other fictional media" for "anime" and you'll see how ridiculous that statement actually is.

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#153: Mar 20th 2011 at 11:01:45 PM

Two really annoying ones from my sister:

Nothing staring characters under high school age.

And no shonen at all. Sigh~

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NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#154: Mar 20th 2011 at 11:49:54 PM

"It all looks the same".

1. yeah, not really. 2. AMERICAN COMICS!?

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Carry on...

Thenamelesssamurai from Atlanta, Georgia Since: Nov, 2010
#155: Mar 20th 2011 at 11:54:17 PM

High five for The Crow image.

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Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#156: Mar 21st 2011 at 12:10:46 AM

Not really a stupid reason actually an entirely justified reason but I want to mention it. Being deaf, and needing to read lips in order understand what people are saying.

As for stupid reasons I've heard "I'm too old" a lot, or "it's childish/for children."

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#157: Mar 21st 2011 at 5:26:19 AM

[up]The former isn't really all that justified when you consider subtitles...

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Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#158: Mar 21st 2011 at 9:32:36 AM

[up] I forget how they explained it but it made senses when they explained it.

I think it involved something to do with it being hard to find good subtitles and actually wanting to buy the shows and support the creators, and it being to much of a hassle at that point.

This included western cartoons as well, as it was an ATHF conversation that started the discussion.

edited 21st Mar '11 9:51:03 AM by Vyctorian

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Chiibi Since: Aug, 2009
#159: Mar 21st 2011 at 11:54:07 AM

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STILL. You can see a very similar theme here: "This stuff is unquestionably action-packed, dark, and mostly appeals to men". There is nothing light or fluffy or even attractive about any of those images. They're just supposed to be "badass", right? And they're always adults or in their late teens. All the characters look really tough and unapproachable. Anime and manga is a surreal world where cute and badass meet each other, characters can be any age and have any appearance: a girl from shoujo manga can look completely different from a girl from shounen manga, etc. The situations range from fighting evil to figuring out the best recipe for gourmet food. COME ON. MANGA HAS WAY MORE VARIATION THAN AMERICAN GRAPHIC NOVELS.

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#160: Mar 21st 2011 at 12:20:50 PM

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What's precedent ever done for us?
NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#161: Mar 21st 2011 at 12:35:09 PM

You can see a very similar theme here

In that they all have human forms?

There is nothing light or fluffy or even attractive about any of those images

And they're always adults or in their late teens

Yes, as opposed to all the little girls and boys that make up the vast majority of anime and manga.

surreal world

Sandman and The Umbrella Academy

characters can be any age and have any appearance

So long as it's between the ages of 10 and 18 and "bishonen"

The situations range from fighting evil to figuring out the best recipe for gourmet food

In other words, the plot and filler.

MANGA HAS WAY MORE VARIATION THAN AMERICAN GRAPHIC NOVELS.

They're comics, not "graphic novels".

Out of my comic collection:

A millionaire adopts seven children with superpowers and trains them from birth to be able to save the world from an unforeseen threat, thier first mission (at ages ten) is to fight the Eiffel Tower.

An American Indian from the 1800s is thrown through time to 1987, where all things from dinosaurs with near human intelligence to eldritch abominations to aliens are running amuck and he is tasked by hte government to hunt them down.

2099 specifically: set in the year of (you guessed it) 2099, where a man is accidentally geneticcally inhanced with the genetics and powers of a spider and then sets out to start a rebellion agaist the very organization he works for.

Set in the post apocalyptic Earth, now called Urth, a group of seven gods (made up of giant dinosaurs and gorillas) battle for control of Urth.

A mafia hitman gains dark powers older than time on his 21st birthday and learns to gain control of his powers while fighting off heavenly being that wants him, and the Darkness, destroyed and a cult that wants his powers for themselves.

A creature made of the sorounding swamp learns that he's not the man he thought he was, and that he's not even (nor was he ever) human, while learning about what he really is he must battle against other supernatural entities and even travel to Hell at times.

The Master of Dreams travels through time and space, dream and the real world and hell searching for his lost items which give him his powers.

Rick, a sheriff, tries to survive a zombie apocalypse while keeping his family safe and his sanity intact. He must travel through the post apocalypse not only fighting off zombies, but other survivors.

That's just stuff from my limited collection of comics.

Are anime and manga all the same thing? No. Are American comics? No. Stop being a hypocrite. This entire argument could've been avoided, had you given examples as to why anime isn't all the same thing, as opposed to pointing the finger at other things.

edited 21st Mar '11 12:57:11 PM by NULLcHiLD27

WORLDTree Since: Dec, 1969
#162: Mar 21st 2011 at 12:58:36 PM

How many of those comics are famous though? How many could be named by the general populous of America? Besides Spider-Man and maybe Walking Dead most of those comics are niche and known in circles like TV Tropes and groups focused on comic books, you can have the greatest most original work ever but it means squat if people don't know about it.

I am a Hero is a great manga that is much better then the "psychological" crap that's currently in with the manga and anime crowd right now, but it means little to point it out as the paragon of manga considering how obscure it is.

NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#163: Mar 21st 2011 at 1:05:10 PM

[up]I'm not pointing any of those out as "paragons" of comics, nor am I referencing them because of their popularity.

Simply pointing out the fallacy in his argument and pointing out that it would've been far more productive of him to name examples of anime/manga that prove it's not "all the same", instead of trashing something else by saying the exact same thing about comics.

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#164: Mar 21st 2011 at 1:11:16 PM

/threadhop

When I tried to show my friend Death Note, he summed up the plot as a person writing names in a notebook and a creepy guy.

I should have made him read it throughly.

EDIT: I read the Umbrella Academy. It was very interesting.

edited 21st Mar '11 1:16:56 PM by chihuahua0

WORLDTree Since: Dec, 1969
#165: Mar 21st 2011 at 1:45:26 PM

Trigun- A show featuring mostly adults in a space western about a cyborg who has to stop his crazy brother's plan involving ancient spaceships.

I am a Hero- A story following a guy with a mental disease from one of the author's previous works, also mainly focusing on adults.

Claymore- Dark Fantasy show featuring all adult non-moe women who kill each other with weird powers.

Toriko- Manly man ultra chef catches weird animals to make great meals.

Berserk- Dark fantasy about an adult guy who runs seeks refuge from the demonic forces chasing him.

Gantz- Dead people forced to kill aliens in a constant game of life and death.

Sakigake Otokojuku- About a school of ultra-manly delinquents.

Vagabond- Story of how Miyamoto Musashi came to be.

Crimson Spell- Two adult men go on a journey to break a curse.

Karate Shoukoushi Kohinata Minoru- About college students and karate.

Defense Devil- A "devil lawyer" trying to prove sinners innocent in order to collect their "dark matter" so he can return to hell.

Liar Game- College student forced to play a game where a hundred million yen is at stake.

Shigurui- Story of two samurai, one missing an arm and the other blind, fighting a duel with real swords and how they got there.

Some very, very condensed descriptions of some manga.

Anarchy just a medicine seller from Perak, Malaysia Since: Jun, 2010
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#166: Mar 21st 2011 at 1:46:43 PM

I feel that comics that don't fit in the same general area of what we stereotype as the "typical American comic book i.e. superheroes" are usually pigeon-holed as "graphic novels" instead. Whereas in fact they're the exact same thing. The supposed lack of variety in American comic books comes from the way we like to pigeonhole works, not any actual lack of variety in "American comics".

^All of those are targeted towards shonen/seinen demographics though; not exactly the best selection to demonstrate variety. In any case, I find that listing descriptions of different anime/manga in an attempt to prove variety is sort of misguided just due to the simple fact that there are so many different kinds of anime/manga. Imagine trying to list all the different plots of novels out there in an attempt to showcase the variety of literature. Impossible, right?

Perhaps listing genres and subgenres might be a more useful way of doing it? I don't know.

^That reminds me that I really need to check out Toriko. My little sister keeps bugging me to read it, and apparently my brother and my cousin both really like it as well. It sounds like a fun manga, from your description.

edited 21st Mar '11 1:52:24 PM by Anarchy

WORLDTree Since: Dec, 1969
#167: Mar 21st 2011 at 1:58:38 PM

They mostly feature older characters and all have pretty different premises, how is a "devil lawyer", a school full of delinquents, and a chef not demonstrate variety? The person said most anime and manga have little boys and girls as the protagonists so I went and found manga that had older characters, I could do a run-through of the josei and shoujo sections but I also wanted to cite series that were also a bit more well known, so I went through the popularity ranking on mangareader and it happened to be that josei and shoujo didn't show frequently above 150 which is where I stopped.

Ninja: Yeah that makes more sense, but the sections for josei, shounen, shoujo, and seinen all seem pretty even with a good case of overlap.

edited 21st Mar '11 1:59:56 PM by WORLDTree

NULLcHiLD27 Since: Oct, 2010
#168: Mar 21st 2011 at 2:00:01 PM

[up]You didn't really need to, I edited in potholes for Sturgeon's Law and Hypocritical Humor on that one "counter-argument".

The supposed lack of variety in American comic books comes from the way we like to pigeonhole works, not any actual lack of variety in "American comics".

I think it just comes from people not bothering to look into them. Same with anime and genres of music and games, etc. If you only have a surface view of it, it's most likely gonna look all the same.

edited 21st Mar '11 2:14:12 PM by NULLcHiLD27

Signed Always Right Since: Dec, 2009
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#169: Mar 21st 2011 at 3:57:46 PM

I think it just comes from people not bothering to look into them. Same with anime and genres of music and games, etc. If you only have a surface view of it, it's most likely gonna look all the same.

HERE I think is the biggest difficulty with getting into comics.

From personal experience  *

, here is why I decided that manga is the better choice...

1) It is literally impossible to get into a mainstream comic nowadays due to how insanely old they are. All the different stories. All the weird crossovers, so many one-shot characters, branches, discontinuities, etc. is quite frankly, daunting for anyone looking for the full experience. I hate half-assing when I look at something, with manga, I find the first chapter, download or buy, and then I read it from chapter 1 to the end. Comics? Impossible.

2) Issue 1 of batman costs an arm and a leg...I refuse to get into anything unless I see it's first chapter...

3) Quite frankly, the lack of advertising/external draw. The best comics have to draw in new readers are those relatively successful Marvel movies. And DC's Bat Man. GOOD animated series based on the comics are far and few in between...and why did they replace the ONLY cool member of the Fantastic Four with Rob The Robot for?!

Contrast with mangas...they have anime adaptations of several different series to get new readers interested, magazines, games, etc. Though the games based on anime aren't exactly great...the reverse is a lot more successful.

4) Accessibility. Comics are a lot harder to find online. Legally or otherwise.

5) Aesthetics


tl;dr - Ridiculously hard to follow due to so many branches and crossovers and etc. compared to manga, ridiculously hard to acquire issue 1's, lack of external draw compared to mangas, accessibility, uglier artworks.

PS-point 3 especially rings true for the non-mainstream comics. If it's not something popular, it's chances of getting advertised in any significant way is even less than the mainstream one already is. Whereas niche mangas can get animated as long as a studio sees potential.

edited 21st Mar '11 4:00:53 PM by Signed

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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
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#170: Mar 21st 2011 at 4:14:59 PM

I had trouble getting into what little I read of Western comics for similar reasons as Signed.

On 1...The continuity issue thing apparently isn't as huge as a problem as it seems at times. You can find what amount to one shot stories that are fun to read. Superman: Secret Identity was a very fun thing to read even though I had never read a single issue of Superman before that for example. Still it's absolutely horrifying how huge and long lasting the big names are. I was incredibly hesitant to go anywhere near the comics because of this. I mean sure some of the manga I like are long, but they haven't been going since the 40's...

Finding comics online legally or otherwise is a bit more difficult than finding manga in my experience, but I've been able to find torrents for things though. Whole series. I've read through a good portion of Teen Titans first and second series runs because of this. I won't do this with everything though. Like Hellboy. Hellboy must be purchased. Absolutely must. It's the Dragon Quest of Western comics for me.

Adaptations are a big part of how I find things when it comes to comics from the East and West. While I will pick up the random thing every now and again many of the comics I read I first watched an adaptation of. Advertisement is an issue for me as well. I don't hang out with too many comic book fans or talk with those I know about Western comics so I don't hear of things very often. Since meeting some I've gained a list of things to look into though.

Aesthetics are certainly an issue as well. Much of the art I accept as pretty, but really feel drawn to. Things that have drawn me heavily based on art are Hell Boy, Re Gifters, Arkham Asylum A Serious House On Serious Earth, Bone, and Tank Girl (still haven't read it but the art is ooooh). I'll still read things that don't really draw me in art wise (Teen Titans and Watchmen are good examples), but I won't make spur of the moment pick ups with ones that don't. Re Gifters was entirely spur of the moment "Ooooh the art...". As was Arkham. That cover is...wow.

edited 21st Mar '11 4:20:35 PM by Aondeug

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Scardoll Burn Since: Nov, 2010
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#171: Mar 21st 2011 at 6:00:30 PM

GOOD animated series based on the comics are far and few in between...
Eh, I liked quite a few of them.

Best ones I've seen were Justice League Unlimited, Batman The Animated Series, The Maxx, and The Spectacular Spider Man (Although all three had very different styles and structure).

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Signed Always Right Since: Dec, 2009
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#172: Mar 21st 2011 at 6:11:00 PM

Four isn't a totally big number though.

Theres a lot more animated works of manga series than there is for comics. And even IF Sturgeon's Law comes into play, the sheer amount being made means there will still be a considerable amount of entertaining series to keep one busy.


That said, I have noticed that anime does suffer from a reverse-Sturgeon's Law as well...there are the good series(just like comics to their fans), a large number of series that just aren't meant for me, so forgettable for me(just like comics to their fans), and just like how theres 1% gem in Sturgeon's Law, anime has 1% of ****ing horribly crappy shit(I have yet to see stuff like those for comics).

edited 21st Mar '11 6:12:49 PM by Signed

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shiro_okami Since: Apr, 2010
#173: Mar 21st 2011 at 6:27:08 PM

Similar to Signed's #1 issue, the reason why I like manga over comics is that manga has better continuity via having only one author, while the most popular comics have switched between writers several times, so Continuity Snarl is to be expected.

Scardoll Burn Since: Nov, 2010
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#174: Mar 21st 2011 at 6:47:12 PM

The Boondocks is NOT anime. It's also an adaptation of a Western comic.

Research, Motherfucker.

edited 21st Mar '11 6:48:05 PM by Scardoll

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#175: Mar 21st 2011 at 6:57:31 PM

I coulda sworn it was involved with Mad House or Gonzo or whatever...since it reminded me of one of their crappier works.

Alright then, replace Boon Docks with...something else similar to the other potholes.

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