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Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#176: Mar 22nd 2011 at 1:20:03 PM

No. It's a system that siply won't work. I just got back from Cuba too, so I do have some experience.

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SavageHeathen Pro-Freedom Fanatic from Somewhere Since: Feb, 2011
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#177: Mar 22nd 2011 at 3:22:50 PM

It could work with fabbers. Well, let's say any system would work with fabbers, regardless of its faults.

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tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#178: Mar 22nd 2011 at 3:25:43 PM

I think we went over that a few pages ago my friend.

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#179: Mar 22nd 2011 at 4:13:34 PM

Communism could work with robots or Vulcans.

Human beings? Not so much.

—R.J.

johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#180: Mar 22nd 2011 at 5:33:11 PM

I'm not a social scientist or a historian or anything, but it seems to me that most of the "zomg socialism!" hysteria is a relic of the Cold War

And the saber-rattling continues. Americans have trouble reconciling losing any war, despite botching their fair share of them.

We were so busy making strawmen out of any nation that's not under our thumb that the general population become cartoonishly xenophobic. We've got Russia utterly surrounded by NATO, which continues its expansion day-by-day, and yet Communism still looms large?

Never more so than in our globally-integrated world have I felt so ridiculous living here.

edited 22nd Mar '11 5:33:52 PM by johnnyfog

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feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer
#181: Mar 23rd 2011 at 3:53:00 AM

Skimming this now, I'm surprised that Tribune, our Trotskyist troper, hasn't posted—has he left the forums? Anyways, he's spoken of wanting to kill the rich, and I can believe he means it. I don't believe he can mass the forces to pull it off. This is a good thing, as I actually grew to like him, despite having a rich friend who I very much do not wish killed. (I've learned to tolerate dangerous ideas so long as there's no chance they'll ever get put into practice, in part because some of them are held by people who I otherwise deeply admire and respect.)

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deathjavu This foreboding is fa... from The internet, obviously Since: Feb, 2010
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#182: Mar 23rd 2011 at 6:48:24 PM

Just wanted to pop in and say:

I just am a strict constitutionalist.

Given how that document has more loopholes and interpretations than the bible, I'd say "constitutionalist" is a misnomer. And by misnomer I actually mean meaningless.

Everyone just seems to claim constitutionality to defend their preexisting views. And honestly, what's so great about the damn thing? It's not perfect, we've amended it a bunch of times since it was written. It wouldn't even have been possible for the government to have much of a socialist system given the level of infrastructure/difficulty of communications back then; of course they wouldn't plan for/make mention of such a system. Doesn't make it any worse of an idea, or any better.

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tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#183: Mar 23rd 2011 at 7:11:52 PM

actually there is a simple logical way of handlign the constitution. Using pure semantics as in what the words meant at the time th ey were ratified. Not what the foudners intended or what the words mean today but what the words meant in the context and usage of the time.

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johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#184: Mar 23rd 2011 at 9:10:37 PM

^ That makes no sense. It's like reading the Old Testement not as a set of meaningful allegories but as the literal truth.

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tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#185: Mar 23rd 2011 at 9:12:13 PM

Religion and Pollitics are two completely different things the Constitution is not compriesd of stories and metaphroes it is commprised of rules and reason.

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del_diablo Den harde nordmann from Somewher in mid Norway Since: Sep, 2009
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#186: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:47:58 AM

[up]: And what if what is written have no meaning anymore? Just saying.

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tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#187: Mar 24th 2011 at 5:09:07 AM

Then you go though the PROPER outlined process and ammend it instead of outright5 ignoring it. but if you can find an example of somthing that means nothing now let mek now.

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silver2195 Since: Jan, 2001
#188: Mar 24th 2011 at 12:22:01 PM

I have a question for the people saying they can take Communism seriously: Can you take Fascism seriously?

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tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#189: Mar 24th 2011 at 12:23:14 PM

Oh my god Silver. I was contemplating cereating a topic for that very subject. But no I can not tkae Fascism seriously.

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Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
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#190: Mar 24th 2011 at 12:32:50 PM

I don't see why what I said already wouldn't apply.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#191: Mar 24th 2011 at 1:19:28 PM

Can you take Fascism seriously?

Also no. My inability to take people seriously is probably a problem, but no one that matters has ever told me so.

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del_diablo Den harde nordmann from Somewher in mid Norway Since: Sep, 2009
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#192: Mar 24th 2011 at 1:40:43 PM

I can take idealistic Fascism seriously. The concept sounds so alien that it could work.

A guy called dvorak is tired. Tired of humanity not wanting to change to improve itself. Quite the sad tale.
tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#193: Mar 24th 2011 at 1:42:27 PM

Idealistic Fascism how does that work?

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MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#194: Mar 24th 2011 at 2:33:56 PM

Not at all. I cannot take communists seriously.

edited 24th Mar '11 2:34:11 PM by MarkVonLewis

pagad Sneering Imperialist from perfidious Albion Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#195: Mar 24th 2011 at 2:47:26 PM

Generally speaking, fascistic ideologies make no bones about advocating an authoritarian, undemocratic regime. They usually don't pretend to be something that they are not. So yes, while I do not like fascism one jot, I can take it seriously.

edited 24th Mar '11 2:51:26 PM by pagad

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#196: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:11:31 PM

I take Fascists seriously.

I don't think they'd be able to justify their ideology on a logical basis while sticking to the scientific development of the last century or so and using morals that are not contradictory, so I really don't think the ideology has survived the test of time, but I take its advocates seriously. I consider them a serious threat.

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tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#197: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:17:54 PM

Meh Fascists, Conservatives, Neo-Cons. What's the difference?

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#198: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:18:45 PM

I thought you cared about semantics? If so, surely you jest.

EDIT: Oh my, I actually used the phrase "surely you jest" unironically, without thinking.

I hope I'm not becoming a caricature snob or something.

edited 24th Mar '11 3:19:57 PM by BestOf

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tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#199: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:19:45 PM

Yes I jest. I have the same problem with use of the word Fascism as Orwell did. The word has come to be far too loos.

edited 25th Mar '11 5:21:12 AM by tnu1138

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Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
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#200: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:21:20 PM

Oh, I can't take fascist art (mostly referring to futurism here) very seriously. I mean, bluh.

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