I can agree such topic is pointless, but not for the reason you said. If you use "it is just fiction, anything can happen" argument, you are pretty much denying any discussion about fictional works. Which is just boring. If one want to engross in discussion about fictional outcomesnote than this line of argumentation is pointless in itself. It is just an discussion ender and doesn't really contribute to anything.
PS:Now I think on it, any "this topic is pointless" argument is a shitty one, as all it does is to stop the topic altogether. If you don't want to take part of a discussion than just don't take part of a discussion. No need to tell the others to stop.
That said, this thread really isn't the right place for any "who would win" talk. If we want to continue it, we should probably move somewhere else.
edited 20th Oct '13 2:53:40 PM by Heatth
i never thought he was a bad hero, just underused. i loved the Large Ham personality they gave him in Batman: The Brave and the Bold.
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.How about some things both non-comic and comic fans need to hear?
"No, folks, comics are not all superheroes. It only feels that way because the funny comics have basically died off except for the licensed stuff."
"No, newspaper comics do not all suck these days. There's still a few good ones out there."
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."OK. The above is now "because the funny, horror, realistic, etc. comics have all died out except for the licensed stuff."
It still wouldn't hurt most people to pick up a copy of Krazy Kat, Tales From The Crypt, Pearls Before Swine, the work of Robert Crumb, American Splendor...
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast.""Europe is not a country; it is a whole bunch of countries, some of which are members of the EU, which is a confederation of sovereign states. Each has their own culture, and their own different comic markets."
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There is one thing they all have in common: a wide variety of comics are available, while here, one variety dominates and the others you have to seek out in specialized places.
edited 8th Feb '14 12:20:59 PM by Aldo930
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."![]()
Barnes & Noble keeps a pretty decent variety of indies along with the more mainstream superhero stuff. It's easy to let your eyes slip by it, but there's tons of Image and Dark Horse and other publishers there. At the least, there's Walking Dead and Saga and Chew and Boxers and Saints.
edited 8th Feb '14 12:22:04 PM by TheEvilDrBolty
My local B&N has a shelf for Marvel, a shelf for DC (Vertigo titles are also shelved here), and two shelves where all the other comics go. Of the "indies", the licensed stuff like Star Trek and Buffy have the largest presence, but there are still plenty of options. I've bought Saga, Cthulhu Tales, The Walking Dead, Severed, Dungeons and Dragons, Girl Genius, Scott Pilgrim, and a few others from B&N, and that's not counting non-Superhero Vertigo stuff I've bought there, like American Vampire or The New Deadwardians.
I've noticed this with pretty much every Barnes and Noble I've ever been in, actually; the number of titles not from the Big Two is usually equivalent to the number that are from the Big Two, and that's not counting the Manga section. Honestly, it amazes me that people still think all comics are superhero books when they can just walk into a bookstore and see how untrue that is.
They have the opportunity to do that. But they don't take it.
Indie publishers are just not able to promote their stuff on the level of DC or Marvel, and since their output is mostly superhero, well, that's what comics are associated with.
It still wouldn't hurt anybody to pick up something like, say, any of the titles you mentioned above. Or, if you want to get more out there, maybe Krazy Kat, the works of Robert Crumb, American Splendor... Maybe something European, even!
edited 8th Feb '14 2:41:04 PM by Aldo930
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."![]()
The indies are generally positioned in such a way (in every B&N I have been in, in multiple cities) that they don't draw attention away from the superheroes. The superheroes generally get the displays of forward-facing covers, as well as better positioning in general to draw the eye (like being closer to the huge manga section, or being at a corner). Plus, the superhero comics are what most people would look for or recognize.

the Superman/Batman books have said that Bats is one of the few people that can pull a Stealth Hi/Bye on Superman.
edited 19th Oct '13 10:21:59 PM by crimsonstorm15
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.