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crimsonstorm15 shine on from A parallel universe Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#401: Oct 19th 2013 at 10:21:50 PM

the Superman/Batman books have said that Bats is one of the few people that can pull a Stealth Hi/Bye on Superman.

edited 19th Oct '13 10:21:59 PM by crimsonstorm15

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#402: Oct 20th 2013 at 1:57:06 PM

This is fiction. What is and isn't possible in terms of victory outcome is entirely up to the writers. Trying to apply in-universe logic to it is utterly fruitless (which is why I never got the point of rumbles and "Who would win?!" threads).

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#403: Oct 20th 2013 at 2:49:32 PM

[up]I can agree such topic is pointless, but not for the reason you said. If you use "it is just fiction, anything can happen" argument, you are pretty much denying any discussion about fictional works. Which is just boring. If one want to engross in discussion about fictional outcomesnote  than this line of argumentation is pointless in itself. It is just an discussion ender and doesn't really contribute to anything.

PS:Now I think on it, any "this topic is pointless" argument is a shitty one, as all it does is to stop the topic altogether. If you don't want to take part of a discussion than just don't take part of a discussion. No need to tell the others to stop.

That said, this thread really isn't the right place for any "who would win" talk. If we want to continue it, we should probably move somewhere else.

edited 20th Oct '13 2:53:40 PM by Heatth

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#404: Oct 20th 2013 at 3:04:05 PM

On topic...I'm tired of telling people that Aquaman isn't shitty.

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crimsonstorm15 shine on from A parallel universe Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#406: Oct 20th 2013 at 5:09:59 PM

[up] I agree. He was probably my favorite character on the show aside from the Dark Knight himself, just because of that.

resetlocksley Shut up! from Alone in the dark Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: Only knew I loved her when I let her go
Shut up!
#407: Feb 7th 2014 at 6:37:48 PM

Batman doesn't kill people, and that's actually a huge part of his characterization.

Fear is a superpower.
Jinbo71 Since: Aug, 2013
#408: Feb 8th 2014 at 7:51:13 AM

"No, Batman is NOT "more relatable" and "better" than Superman."

Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I. Since: Aug, 2013
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#409: Feb 8th 2014 at 9:53:02 AM

How about some things both non-comic and comic fans need to hear?

"No, folks, comics are not all superheroes. It only feels that way because the funny comics have basically died off except for the licensed stuff."

"No, newspaper comics do not all suck these days. There's still a few good ones out there."

"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#410: Feb 8th 2014 at 9:55:07 AM

[up]Shouldn't it just be 'comics aren't all Superheroes?' Because saying what you said still implies that comics are only Superheroes and funny comics, when there's a whole load of stuff out there...

edited 8th Feb '14 9:55:26 AM by kkhohoho

Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I. Since: Aug, 2013
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#411: Feb 8th 2014 at 10:01:59 AM

OK. The above is now "because the funny, horror, realistic, etc. comics have all died out except for the licensed stuff."

It still wouldn't hurt most people to pick up a copy of Krazy Kat, Tales From The Crypt, Pearls Before Swine, the work of Robert Crumb, American Splendor...

"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#412: Feb 8th 2014 at 10:04:01 AM

[up]Are you from America?

Because most of that is still pretty alive outside of it.

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Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I. Since: Aug, 2013
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#413: Feb 8th 2014 at 10:06:46 AM

Yep. I'm an American.

Something like the European comic market would be much welcomed over here. To the French, after all, comics are the 9th art.

edited 8th Feb '14 10:08:30 AM by Aldo930

"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
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#414: Feb 8th 2014 at 11:26:56 AM

"Europe is not a country; it is a whole bunch of countries, some of which are members of the EU, which is a confederation of sovereign states. Each has their own culture, and their own different comic markets."

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Anteres Since: May, 2010
#415: Feb 8th 2014 at 11:54:58 AM

[up] Man, I have been staring at a screen too long. I could have sworn you wrote 'different corn markets' which came across as wonderfully random. :)

Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I. Since: Aug, 2013
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#416: Feb 8th 2014 at 12:19:25 PM

[up][up] There is one thing they all have in common: a wide variety of comics are available, while here, one variety dominates and the others you have to seek out in specialized places.

edited 8th Feb '14 12:20:59 PM by Aldo930

"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
C0mraid from Here and there Since: Aug, 2010
#417: Feb 8th 2014 at 12:20:23 PM

[up] No.

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TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#418: Feb 8th 2014 at 12:21:17 PM

[up][up] Barnes & Noble keeps a pretty decent variety of indies along with the more mainstream superhero stuff. It's easy to let your eyes slip by it, but there's tons of Image and Dark Horse and other publishers there. At the least, there's Walking Dead and Saga and Chew and Boxers and Saints.

edited 8th Feb '14 12:22:04 PM by TheEvilDrBolty

Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I. Since: Aug, 2013
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#419: Feb 8th 2014 at 12:21:35 PM

[up][up] Why does everybody just say "No"? Can I have more explanation?!

[up] Hadn't thought of that...

edited 8th Feb '14 12:23:18 PM by Aldo930

"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
C0mraid from Here and there Since: Aug, 2010
#420: Feb 8th 2014 at 12:22:27 PM

[up]No.

Edit: None of the three versions of that post I've seen have been true. The current version is closest to true, but in plenty of European countries you have to go to specialised shops to get comics full stop.

edited 8th Feb '14 12:38:44 PM by C0mraid

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Anteres Since: May, 2010
#421: Feb 8th 2014 at 12:29:10 PM

[up] Yes

On the original topic "Punisher is not more 'realistic' than Batman". Had to argue that with a few comic fans too.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#422: Feb 8th 2014 at 12:53:47 PM

Murder would not make everything better.

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LizardBite Shameless Self-Promoter from Two Galaxies Over Since: Jan, 2001
#423: Feb 8th 2014 at 2:17:43 PM

Barnes & Noble keeps a pretty decent variety of indies along with the more mainstream superhero stuff. It's easy to let your eyes slip by it, but there's tons of Image and Dark Horse and other publishers there. At the least, there's Walking Dead and Saga and Chew and Boxers and Saints.

My local B&N has a shelf for Marvel, a shelf for DC (Vertigo titles are also shelved here), and two shelves where all the other comics go. Of the "indies", the licensed stuff like Star Trek and Buffy have the largest presence, but there are still plenty of options. I've bought Saga, Cthulhu Tales, The Walking Dead, Severed, Dungeons and Dragons, Girl Genius, Scott Pilgrim, and a few others from B&N, and that's not counting non-Superhero Vertigo stuff I've bought there, like American Vampire or The New Deadwardians.

I've noticed this with pretty much every Barnes and Noble I've ever been in, actually; the number of titles not from the Big Two is usually equivalent to the number that are from the Big Two, and that's not counting the Manga section. Honestly, it amazes me that people still think all comics are superhero books when they can just walk into a bookstore and see how untrue that is.

Aldo930 Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon from Quahog, R.I. Since: Aug, 2013
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#424: Feb 8th 2014 at 2:34:06 PM

[up] They have the opportunity to do that. But they don't take it.

Indie publishers are just not able to promote their stuff on the level of DC or Marvel, and since their output is mostly superhero, well, that's what comics are associated with.

It still wouldn't hurt anybody to pick up something like, say, any of the titles you mentioned above. Or, if you want to get more out there, maybe Krazy Kat, the works of Robert Crumb, American Splendor... Maybe something European, even!

edited 8th Feb '14 2:41:04 PM by Aldo930

"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#425: Feb 8th 2014 at 2:41:18 PM

[up][up] The indies are generally positioned in such a way (in every B&N I have been in, in multiple cities) that they don't draw attention away from the superheroes. The superheroes generally get the displays of forward-facing covers, as well as better positioning in general to draw the eye (like being closer to the huge manga section, or being at a corner). Plus, the superhero comics are what most people would look for or recognize.


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