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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#126: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:43:53 PM

[up]Tsc, thought I would be the first.

Edit:Damn, formating this was hard.

edited 24th Mar '11 3:49:44 PM by Heatth

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#127: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:44:35 PM

I was rather surprised at some of the results. Seriously, Shiori lost this early?


  • ARENA 01: Elucia de Lute Irma Tōsaka Rin (easy choice)
  • ARENA 02: Last Order Iwasawa Asami
  • ARENA 03: Shinonono Hōki Ikaros
  • ARENA 04: Charlotte Dunois Aragaki Ayase
  • ARENA 05: Ika-Musume Nymph (this was a tough one)
  • ARENA 06: Huang Lingyin Sakurano Kurimu
  • ARENA 07: Kasugano Sora Abstained Hirasawa Ui
  • ARENA 08: Nakamura Yuri Konjiki no Yami
  • ARENA 09: Hirasawa Yui Index L. Prohibitorum
  • ARENA 10: Kotobuki Tsumugi Abstained Asahina Mikuru
  • ARENA 11: Sakagami Tomoyo Sanzen'in Nagi
  • ARENA 12: Saber Abstained C.C.
  • ARENA 13: Fujibayashi Kyō Holo
  • ARENA 14: Furukawa Nagisa Seraphim
  • ARENA 15: Senjōgahara Hitagi Louise Vallière
  • ARENA 16: Sengoku Nadeko Shiina Mafuyu

edited 24th Mar '11 3:50:20 PM by Spirit

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Arilou Taller than Zim from Quasispace Since: Jan, 2001
Taller than Zim
#128: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:47:09 PM

  1. Tōsaka Rin
  2. Abstain
  3. Shinonono Hōki
  4. Charlotte Dunois
  5. Ika-Musume
  6. Huang Lingyin
  7. Abstain
  8. Nakamura Yuri
  9. Abstain
  10. Asahina Mikuru
  11. Sanzen'in Nagi
  12. C.C.
  13. Holo
  14. Seraphim
  15. Senjōgahara Hitagi
  16. Sengoku Nadeko

edited 24th Mar '11 3:48:12 PM by Arilou

"No, the Singularity will not happen. Computation is hard." -Happy Ent
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#129: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:49:04 PM

Shiori still has a chance in round three. And I just don't post my results, but I had voted about a minute or two after announcing that Nanoha lost etc.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#130: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:50:55 PM

I have a question: Do you guys vote based on who you like more or who you do think it is more Moe?

Arilou Taller than Zim from Quasispace Since: Jan, 2001
Taller than Zim
#131: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:51:44 PM

[up] Kicking ass has a moe-factor all of it's own.

"No, the Singularity will not happen. Computation is hard." -Happy Ent
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#132: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:52:22 PM

I've been wondering, are we really supposed to be voting on who is more moe? 'Cuz several choices even this far in are not what I would call "moe".

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#133: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:52:38 PM

[up][up]No, it doesn't. And that wasn't my question, anyway.

Edit:[up] I suppose? This is a Moe tournament, after all. This have been my only criteria.

Edit2:I asked exactly because I feel a lot of popular characters are not what I would call 'Moe', at all. However, everyone in the Winners Gallery(from previous years), can be classified as Moe.

edited 24th Mar '11 3:56:02 PM by Heatth

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#134: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:55:23 PM

I'm voting for who I like more. Because really, several characters aren't moe, and some that are are poorly done.

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#135: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:55:30 PM

I've been voting on who I think is the better character/most entertaining. The presence of a few choices throws the whole "most moe" concept in question to begin with.

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JakesBrain Since: Jul, 2010
#136: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:56:03 PM

[up][up][up]I can't, in good conscience, simply vote for a character I don't actually like just because I can tell they're moe.

And BTW Heatth: If you're not familiar with Ika Musume, imagine Chiyo as an incompetent, easily badgered wannabe world conqueror with Prehensile Hair.

edited 24th Mar '11 3:57:39 PM by JakesBrain

Arilou Taller than Zim from Quasispace Since: Jan, 2001
Taller than Zim
#137: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:58:12 PM

No, it doesn't.

Yes it does. If it makes you go "D'awww" it's Moe. Standing on a pyramid of the decapitated skulls of your enemies makes me go "D'awww".

"No, the Singularity will not happen. Computation is hard." -Happy Ent
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#138: Mar 24th 2011 at 3:58:31 PM

[up][up][up] and [up][up][up][up] I know. However most in the Winners Gallery(from previous years), can be classified as Moe. So the tournament doesn't seem so flawed.

Edit:[up][up]Well, I can and I have done. tongue

And, yeah, Ika seems moe.

[up]I am pretty sure this is not how we define the term. And even if it was, I guess I can only call you weird, then.tongue Anyway, this wasn't what I asked, in the first place.

edited 24th Mar '11 4:02:45 PM by Heatth

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#139: Mar 24th 2011 at 4:03:26 PM

Then it's a good thing the moe characters won a moe tournament, but I still don't understand how several contestants are eligible in the first place.

Edit: My definition of "moe" is partly something that invokes a "D'awww" feeling, but if you find a mountain of corpes moe well, I think we have differing definitions.

edited 24th Mar '11 4:05:02 PM by Spirit

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#140: Mar 24th 2011 at 4:03:46 PM

I don't want to just vote for moe characters. I'd have to vote for Nagisa if I did that, and for me she's the epitome of moe done wrong. So I vote for my favorites.

Besides, if it's just about moe why would Tohsaka, Saber and Ilya all be contestants but Sakura was not? ...I think. She wasn't, was she? Tsundere, kuudere, yangire all participate but the most blatantly moe one does not? Even if she has her own issues?

edited 24th Mar '11 4:05:55 PM by Arha

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#141: Mar 24th 2011 at 4:13:56 PM

[up][up]I have to agree. Which is why I make an effort to vote against these characters no matter who they are facing. I would think it is a demerit for Senjougahara having a good position in a Moe tournament, for i think one of her great qualities is be a nice non-moe romance interest in a Harem Series.

[up]I am not saying you should forget your own preferences while voting. In a decision between two moe characters. I will also balance other factors. I just don't feel like voting in a blatantly non-moe character just because I like her.

About the Fate Stay Night characters. I actually consider all of these more Moe then Sakura, in their own way. Well, except for Illya, who probably gets a free pass because she looks like a child.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#142: Mar 24th 2011 at 4:21:03 PM

I don't find Saber moe, and Tohsaka wasn't moe in the anime. Sakura was built of like 93% moe, though. And what was Chizuru doing anywhere near such a competition? She's hot, but she's not moe.

Arilou Taller than Zim from Quasispace Since: Jan, 2001
Taller than Zim
#143: Mar 24th 2011 at 4:24:01 PM

I am pretty sure this is not how we define the term

Who are "We" in this context?

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#144: Mar 24th 2011 at 4:25:19 PM

Chizuru? I'm wondering how Saeko made it in.

Edit: Has "moe" ever had a real definition?

edited 24th Mar '11 4:25:59 PM by Spirit

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Arilou Taller than Zim from Quasispace Since: Jan, 2001
Taller than Zim
#145: Mar 24th 2011 at 4:27:30 PM

[up] No. That's rather my point.

"No, the Singularity will not happen. Computation is hard." -Happy Ent
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#146: Mar 24th 2011 at 4:29:58 PM

Saeko... well, I dropped that anime. I just remember reading some tropes for her and thought maybe the yandere fetishists would find her moe.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#147: Mar 24th 2011 at 4:32:00 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]I don't know this Chizuru, so I can't talk about her. However, she was not classified yet, so it is early to criticize. It is a bad contestant, maybe, but that is why we vote.

As for the Fate Stay Night characters. I barely remember the anime, except I found it crap (and that was before I reading the Visual Novel). However, Tohsaka is quite Moe in her dere dere (which she doesn't show a lot in the arc the anime is based on). Saber is not that moe, but has her moments. Sakura, meanwhile, is more of a Yamato Nadeshiko. I wouldn't really call her Moe although I wouldn't find strange if someone does.

If we go for the "D'awww" criteria, both Rin and Saber awake this feelings on me. Sakura doesn't (I like her a lot, though, and her arc is my favorite one).

[up][up][up][up]The Tv Tropes. And, anyway, I never seem anyone ever even considering Badassness as Moe.

edited 24th Mar '11 4:34:34 PM by Heatth

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#148: Mar 24th 2011 at 4:33:31 PM

Shrinking Violet, squeaky breathy voice, yamato nadeshiko, passive, a woobie... she's like a shrine built to the concept.

edited 24th Mar '11 4:33:45 PM by Arha

Arilou Taller than Zim from Quasispace Since: Jan, 2001
Taller than Zim
#149: Mar 24th 2011 at 4:35:08 PM

[up][up] Yamato Nadeshiko is a moe archetype.

"No, the Singularity will not happen. Computation is hard." -Happy Ent
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#150: Mar 24th 2011 at 4:37:02 PM

[up][up]You really need to read her arc. If anything, she at last subvert the concept.

Anyway, I can see why one would call Sakura Moe. I just don't feel like that, myself. I was just pointing I don't find strange, at all, Saber and Tohsaka being in the tournament while she is not. I do, however, believe the reason is much more the she is not as popular as the other two.

[up]I disagree. For one thing, the concept precede, by far, the term Moe. Furthermore, the term can also be used for strong whiled characters and some decidedly non-moe ones. They are not mutually exclusive, but they don't walk together either.

edited 24th Mar '11 4:41:28 PM by Heatth


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