He was way cooler than Peter Parker minus the stupid blonde hair.
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Gwen was killed because Stan Lee was afraid that there was nowhere left in their relationship to go but marriage, and he was concerned that doing that would more or less end the story. He got over the years later when Peter married MJ, but at the time, The Night Gwen Stacy Died was basically Stan Lee's (better written) One More Day.
edited 16th Dec '12 9:57:01 AM by TobiasDrake
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Way before. Aunt May wouldn't die for the first time until the Clone Saga.
IIRC, she hasn't even died that much compared to others. Unless we're counting alternate realities.
I want her alive if she's being a Cool Old Lady, but I get annoyed when they paint her as a clueless and even stupid old absent bat.
edited 16th Dec '12 12:20:25 PM by NapoleonDeCheese
@Tiamatty Awesome. You should give me a star.
@Time I do too. I even think I hate her.
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If she's out of the story then I think they should've just killed her only to resurrect her later. I'm pretty sure that's her superpower. Maybe, she got bit by a radioactive Jesus.
edited 16th Dec '12 2:23:06 PM by Nightray
.....She flashes in and out of the story. She'll move away, then move back, then die, then come back to life, then disappear mysteriously, then be found...she tends to be the focal point of Peter's life when she's around to an unhealthy degree but she lives on a yo-yo.
edited 16th Dec '12 2:30:19 PM by TobiasDrake
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I just got off a nine-hour flight from Chicago to Hawaii and enjoyed The Amazing Spider-Man as my in-flight movie. It was really good, better than the previous trilogy in my opinion (though I never saw 3).
But...
I really hope they don't kill Gwen in any sequel. Her character was awesome in that movie, and Garfield and Stone's chemistry was amazing. I hope hey don't throw it all away for drama, especially since they killed her dad and Uncle Ben in the same movie. Of course they all died in the comics, but comics are not movies; comics are supposed to continue indefinitely, and thus the deaths were widely-spaced, whereas in films released only a few years apart, it'll seem like the universe is actively out to get Peter. Besides, she got to show off her science mojo to help take down Connors (epic Woobie, by the way), which is something that's almost never remembered from the comics. She's always been "dead girl" (and to a lesser extent "sleeps-with-evil-guys-twice-her-age girl"), but now that the movies are arguably eclipsing the comics in the popcultural osmosis, I'm hoping this'll be the start of new appreciation for her character.
From hints dropped in the film, it sounds like there is the possibility that we'll see Gwen Stacy die in the films.
However, if so, it's not going to be any time soon. If Gwen is going to die, it will likely be in the climax of the Norman Osborn arc they're building. That doesn't look like it's going to be resolved next movie, or probably even the movie after that. Any other time wouldn't have the impact that The Night Gwen Stacy Died carried; it would just be a random, pointless character death.
edited 27th Dec '12 9:35:44 PM by TobiasDrake
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George told Peter to "leave Gwen out of it," which could be a hint toward her death, but I think that'd just be excessively cruel, especially since Peter already had his power/responsibility failure in Ben; in the comics their deaths were more than a decade apart so it didn't feel overdone, but in movies released on a much shorter timetable that'd just be milking the wangst cow, in my opinion.
On a tangentially-related note, I loved the mystique they surrounded Norman with. Was that guy who seemed to be his Dragon, the one always badmouthing Connors, ever named, by the way? If he was, my crappy airplane headphones didn't catch it.
Y'see, I hope they don't do that, because that'd be obvious. Make her the dead girl again, when, in my opinion, this movie shows she can be so much more.
If she does die I hope she goes down fighting. She's a Secret-Keeper and co-supervillain-fighter in this film. To have her die as a senseless victim of a random act of violence, like in the comic, would be discourteous to this version, I think.
edited 27th Dec '12 9:52:29 PM by HamburgerTime
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There was also Peter's tossing of Gwen out the window, and the drama surrounding the threat to Gwen in the Oscorp building (of all places). I think they're going to milk Gwen's questionable status for a while. The fact that we know Gwen dies in the comics means they can put her in life-threatening situations without worrying about the audience's knowledge of Plot Armor cheapening the risk; because every time will be "What if THIS is where she dies?"
Once that potential runs dry and the audience becomes convinced of her safety, then they'll kill her.
As to the guy visiting Connors' chamber, I think Word of God said at one point that he's not an original character, he is someone from the comics. But they're remaining hush about who because they're saving him for the villain of a future movie.
edited 27th Dec '12 9:52:56 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Oh, him. Rajit Ratha, I think his name was. He's an original character. Originally he was intended to be Nels Van Adder, a character who appeared in one issue of the comics as the Proto Goblin, but they changed plans and made him an OC instead.
A deleted scene had the Lizard successfully murder him, but as that scene was deleted, and as Ratha appears in no further scenes after the bridge, he's living in Schroedinger's Box right now.
edited 27th Dec '12 9:56:29 PM by TobiasDrake
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I wonder if he'll be a future Big Bad? He could still become the Proto-Goblin even if he's not Van Adder.
edited 27th Dec '12 9:58:06 PM by HamburgerTime
I wouldn't be surprised to see him return to continue his role as Norman Osborn's right hand man while the films build on the Osborn mystery. If they go the way of the comics and build the mystery of the Green Goblin's identity, Rajit Ratha could make for an amazing Red Herring.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I remember feeling that way back during the post-Civil War Thunderbolts.
Norman Osborn is a more intimidating character when he's Lex Luthor than when he's the Joker.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.So, yes, Gwen. This film made her my favorite Spidey love interest (though part of that may be bad taste left over from Dunst!MJ and the fact that I think "Gwen" is a cool name) and I hope they don't kill her because with the compressed timetable it would seem cheap.

Didn't we see what would happen if Gwen Stacy were alive in House Of M? Even Spidey wasn't happy the way that one turned out, considering that he by then moved on to another True Love.
In fact, I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that the original Gwen Stacy was killed because readers believed MJ to be a better love interest.
But yeah, bringing her back after all this time wouldn't be something I'd vote for. Her death is one of the most defining moments of the Spiderman series. In a universe where stories don't seem to be complete without at least one retcon, such moments are a precious commodity. So I'm glad she won't be coming back, and all her clones so far had been offed in Spider Island. (Though the 'failed' clone got herself a case of Never Found the Body, I guess)
edited 16th Dec '12 6:05:26 AM by Kayeka