not to me as Eggman works well with goofy while having some surprisingly dangerous ideas, like in colors (and a bit of lost world) Eggman's character in that game is who I see the doctor is as a character a goofy, silly yet underhandedly smart in his plans for world domination in both of threat level and tone.
In comparison his zombot virus plan in the IDW comic did not feel like his usual idea and is more closer to Archie Eggman in both of threat level and tone which I don't really like.
So him with the gun in SA 2 just stands out in all the wrong ways, and it's not just him as Sonic, Tails and Amy can easily beat him, so why this does this scene tells us otherwise?
Edited by The-Azure-Star-Of-Orion on Aug 20th 2024 at 6:38:42 AM
After 10 year plus years I have the confidence to be here. My one and only Fate servent.I always thought it was part of his mecha, not a gun he had in his hand. XD
Eggman also used a laser pistol in Sonic the Hedgehog: The Movie.
Edited by lalalei2001 on Aug 20th 2024 at 10:26:17 AM
The Protomen enhanced my life.@Zeromaeus but like that entire scene itself is bad as Sonic the Fastest Thing Alive couldn't just save Amy and disarmed Eggman? Also why is Amy a Damsel in Distress when her arc in Adventure 1 was to more independent and able to fight back? And where's her hammer? And Tails being on the sideline doing nothing just doesn't sit right with me when he could also stop Eggman.
Overall the scene just doesn't work as it's just plot contrivance in the most purest since of the word.
After 10 year plus years I have the confidence to be here. My one and only Fate servent....I'm not sure what the problem with that scene is.
I guess Tails could blow up the pod.
I guess Amy...shouldn't be held at gun point when the last scene with her showed why she was caught.
And even though their plan was to trick Eggman, they should've just fought him despite him having a hostage.
Edited by randomness4 on Aug 20th 2024 at 12:29:54 PM
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Sonic isn't the Flash. He's agile and runs fast, but he can't just go from standing still to covering a room in less than the time it takes to a squeeze a trigger. I mean, to be fair the way his speed works is inconsistent across media, but that's not generally how he's shown working in the games. If Eggman's got someone on gunpoint Sonic can't really do much more than an ordinary person can.
And what's Tails supposed to do? Snipe Eggman in the head while he's looking at Sonic? And what's Amy supposed to do? Pull off a sick backflip so fast Eggman freaks and loses aim of her while she pulls out her hammer and spin attacks him? "Oh, but they could do something!" Yeah they could, and someone who has their gun pointed at someone with a hostage could just fire, but people don't usually go blasting in those situations in either real life or fiction because there's various worries it could go wrong. Not to mention Sonic and Tails didn't think Eggman knew about the fake Emerald and so thought they could trick him with it.
There's nothing contrived about the scene at all. It takes effectively no time for Eggman to pull the trigger and none of the characters have a way to magically stop that or carefully attack him within a nanosecond. As far as Sonic and Tails could tell it was best to play it cautiously and try and find an opening while passing the fake emerald off to him.
Edited by KuroBaraHime on Aug 20th 2024 at 12:52:10 PM
Yeah tell that to a hedgehog that can outrun lasers and bullets on a regular Tuesday, heck the way Eggman was holding the gun is just unwieldy so I doubt that he can pull the trigger as fast and he wasn't always focusing on Amy and like you said Sonic's speed is inconsistent which is sometimes because of the plot, but him being the fastest thing alive gives the me idea that he can out maneuver Eggman in that scene but the plot said otherwise, so plot contrivance.
After 10 year plus years I have the confidence to be here. My one and only Fate servent.Sonic dodges bullets (and lasers that act like bullets) occasionally, but I don't think he can outrun them.
That quibble aside, your argument is basically just "This doesn't fit my headcanon that Sonic is unbeatable and never able to outplayed or outmaneuvered, so the story putting him into a tricky situation is a plot contrivance because he should be able to just snap his fingers and win."
The outmaneuvering would be...reaching Amy before Eggman simply pulls the trigger.
Sounds like a boring conflict end-er if he could simply just do that. Which could work in story with a lighter tone...
This is a kids show after all.
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what? It's not even a headcanon as Sonic has been shown to break the sound barrier pretty often and my main issue with that scene is that it's overall out of character for everyone involved both before and after SA 2.
RichaadEB was the one who arranged the Supporting Me remix
holy hell talk about an Ascended Fan
Writers very frequently underestimate the speed of lasers, especially when the lasers are just being used for gameplay.
On top of that, the exact specifics of any character's abilities in... any media are very frequently inconsistent even within the same story, not just Sonic.
Calling this scene contrived because of that comes across as using a nitpick to say why a smth is outright bad.
But it is outright bad because everybody is out of character in that scene, as it just feels like the writers just doesn't realize that in their own world that they created that Sonic would just zip in to save Amy, but instead decided to try to play a serious scene straight without thinking about all the abilities the characters have.
After 10 year plus years I have the confidence to be here. My one and only Fate servent.What's out of character?
Again, character abilities in general (not just Sonic) are going to be inconsistent when you dig into the specifics - and in this situation, the narrative stakes are clear.
Sonic and Tails can't just blitz fast enough to save Amy (with any reasonable degree of certainty). From that situation, their decisions and thoughts all make sense.
It's out of character because Amy had development in the last game, which means she can't ever be held hostage.
And Sonic earned a game-play power up called the "light speed dash" which should be taken literally.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.That Eggman is holding a gun, that Amy is a damsel, that Tails is being stupid and that Sonic is being slow, all for the sake of a dramatic narrative that goes against the abilities and characterization of the series for cheep drama, when both before and after SA 2 shows that this shouldn't have happened in the first place, that's the problem with that scene as it doesn't fit with the rest of the series at all.
If there's an issue with abilities being inconsistent then that scene represents the flaw in the first place which makes the issues that it has even worse.
Edited by The-Azure-Star-Of-Orion on Aug 21st 2024 at 1:53:06 AM
After 10 year plus years I have the confidence to be here. My one and only Fate servent.Eggman's holding a gun... like he has any issues with that?
Amy's a damsel... like she was for the entirety of her debut and for big chunks of the previous game (and her big moment at the end was fighting against one of Eggman's robots, not Eggman himself, and still needing to exploit the arena to win)?
Tails is stupid... for being fooled by Eggman, another genius? Are you hearing your logic here? If two geniuses go up against each other in a battle of wits, one losing is automatically stupidity?
Sonic is slow... for not automatically assuming he can blitz Eggman, when he has NEVER actually blitzed Eggman and Eggman has very frequently and consistently shown that he can pilot his mechs well enough to keep up with Sonic? And again, that goes back into the issue of consistency I was mentioning before. In some stories Flash is fast enough to just blitz the hell out of his opponent, but in others that isn't the case and he has to treat them seriously.

I didn't mind the aesthetics of Shadow the Hedgehog. Most of the visual design and presentation worked really well. The Black army aliens actually worked really well for minions. In addition, I actually liked how Blackdoom played off Shadow and his backstory.
The problems I had were with the really bad level and mission design. Having to kill X number of robots, soldiers, aliens, etc when there were only exactly X number in the level was not fun. The fact that abilities like chaos control actively made it harder to complete the mission also didn't help.
There was a similar problem with the find "x" bombs or doors. Often times mission critical objects would look almost exactly like the background making the gameplay tediously slow.
That's why this game looks so good. It has the fun alien invasion aesthetics, but the gameplay looks fun and exciting. It feels like there is an emphasis on speed and precision that a lot of the missions in Shadow the Hedgehog actively fought against.
Edited by Freshwater on Aug 20th 2024 at 5:59:42 AM