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Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#78826: Jul 18th 2024 at 4:19:16 PM

Because that era of the Sonic Series probably is an Old Shame for Sega, weird though it might be to say out loud. Sega would have you believing that the Classic Sonic that we see in Sonic OVA, Sonic CD, and way later Sonic Mania, was always the specific image of Sonic back then, even though fans would like to point out AoStH and Sonic SatAM as just the quickest way to discredit that notion.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#78827: Jul 18th 2024 at 4:21:46 PM

I don't think Sonic team likes ideas they did not originate, which means ideas that are exclusive to purely Western media (the DIC shows, Archie by extension, Chronicles by plagiarism) and X and the OVA by coincidence.

The IDW and Boom stuff can appear because they are more directly involved, yet even they seem like long shots. Prime notably ended in a way similar to 06, making it likely that Sonic Team was not involved with its development at all and therefore did not originally any ideas regarding the Shatterspaces and would therefore not be inclined towards using those concepts.

Not helping Sally's case is that she and her source material represented something that ST would oppose on principle, a Sonic the Hedgehog that isn't a free spirit, but a servant of government (and a monarchy at that, or at least a principality). With Princess Sally as an authoritative (not necessarily authoritarian tbc) leader of this force.

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Also, Penders likely furthered sowered them on using "Foreign" ideas even if they own the IP rights lock stock and barrel. If anything owning them would just give the right to patent troll use of these concepts and reminders of their existence in proximity of the ideas they had in mind for the blue blur.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Jul 18th 2024 at 4:24:22 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#78828: Jul 18th 2024 at 4:55:07 PM

The last piece of media Sally was in...was the most prominent thing she "first" appeared in.

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king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#78829: Jul 18th 2024 at 4:58:45 PM

Wasn't SATAM the first prominant thing she appeared in, with the Archie comics then adapting that (with a bit of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog thrown in) before becoming their own thing (but still keeping the elements from SATAM, like Sally)?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#78831: Jul 18th 2024 at 5:13:47 PM

[up][up]No...the comic came first.

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king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#78832: Jul 18th 2024 at 5:18:00 PM

I looked it up, and you're right. While the idea for SATAM came first and the comics were created as a spinoff of it, the comics actually came out before it.

Edited by king15 on Jul 18th 2024 at 12:20:22 PM

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#78833: Jul 18th 2024 at 6:42:16 PM

There was a brief period where SEGA was interested in seeing if Sally would work on her own. Thats why Penders was commissioned to make the ill-fated Sally Acorn comic mini-series. The most that ever came from it, that I'm aware of, was a statue for SEGA World Sydney.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Jul 18th 2024 at 6:42:43 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#78834: Jul 18th 2024 at 6:47:50 PM

Wasn't it also Sega who veto'ed Sally being killed off way back in the day.

They even kept the Archie comics around even as they somewhat rebooted the franchise with Sonic Adventure....which I think was a big mistake on their part.

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Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#78835: Jul 18th 2024 at 6:58:24 PM

What's fucked too is that the Archie Sonic comics started with a perfectly good premise, that they of course couldn't be fucked to maintain: The setting and characters of Sonic SatAM, but the tone and comedy of AoStH. They had FULL REIGN to have the colorful characters we know and root for, opposing Robotnik in full on ecocide mode... but going the route of playing that shit for edgier gags. They were Freedom Fighters, sure, but they felt like they'd be right at home duking it out with the likes of Scratch and Grounder! That was perfect to roll with!

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78836: Jul 18th 2024 at 7:27:00 PM

I do miss the Freedom Fighters, but if they were ever gonna appear it'd be in Forces, and they didn't.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#78837: Jul 18th 2024 at 9:26:47 PM

Yeah, Penders wanted to kill off Sally after his mini-series failed. SEGA nixed that.

I don't agree on the tone of the comics going wrong. The goofier comics were, in my opinion, largely forgettable. Penders took it too far in the other direction, but I have no complaints about Flynn's run.

Perhaps ironically, it looks more likely than ever that we may get comic characters in the games. Its just that, if we do, it'd be someone like Whisper, Tangle, Surge and Kit. The Freedom Fighters are long gone.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Jul 18th 2024 at 9:29:07 AM

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#78838: Jul 18th 2024 at 10:24:33 PM

I don't really have a lot to add at the moment, since I was never attached to the Freedom Fighters, but I just wanted to point out the word is "soured", not "sowered".

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#78839: Jul 19th 2024 at 5:07:48 AM

Sally Acorn originally came from the Stay Sonic book where she was Sonic's friend but not a princess. So they could introduce a version of Sally that isn't a princess if need be.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#78840: Jul 19th 2024 at 7:51:26 AM

I also think the Freedom Fighters' main thing was that they were a supporting cast for a character who only seemed to have one friend, and Tails was really sidelined in SATAM and early Archie.

Once we leave the classic era the need for four wacky sidekicks diminishes greatly, because we get a new major character each year.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#78841: Jul 19th 2024 at 7:53:24 AM

Up to 2006 ofctongue

wooden-ladybug93 Since: Feb, 2024
#78842: Jul 19th 2024 at 8:44:02 AM

I honestly believed in that "Tails Doll" garbage when I first played Sonic R as part of "Sonic Gems Collection".

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78843: Jul 19th 2024 at 9:00:45 AM

I didn't but played along with it for fun XD

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wooden-ladybug93 Since: Feb, 2024
#78844: Jul 19th 2024 at 9:02:35 AM

I just remembered that one of the "Sonic Says" segments had Scratch and Grounder drinking alcohol and getting utterly wasted, then many years later Futurama came out, which (aside from the first episode) stated that the robots in that universe REQUIRED alcohol to function.

Edited by wooden-ladybug93 on Jul 19th 2024 at 11:05:13 AM

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#78845: Jul 19th 2024 at 9:20:12 AM

Due to popular demand, all physical pre-orders will have a reversible cover that features the Japanese art for the game!

Thanks, nagging! grin

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#78846: Jul 19th 2024 at 9:23:58 AM

HELL YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

So glad I ordered physical then

Edited by taotruths on Jul 19th 2024 at 9:24:11 AM

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#78847: Jul 19th 2024 at 9:28:37 AM

[up][up]is this seriously pre-order only? i hate this practice.

...but i suppose this is better than nothing. I LOVE YOU SEGA

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#78848: Jul 19th 2024 at 9:43:42 AM

Folks, 06 is still an Old Shame. Nothing has changed, as 06 already had representation in the original Gens.

However, how embarrasing the game is depends on the region. Sega of America despises the game and mocks it any time they can; Sega of Japan seems to like it well enough, as Silver is the favorite character of many of the developers in the company.

And Sally Acorn hasn't been brought back mostly because she is not a creation of Sega of Japan, but of Sega of America. They own her, yes, but SOJ is apathetic to her.

Edited by Tomodachi on Jul 19th 2024 at 9:45:01 AM

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#78849: Jul 19th 2024 at 11:12:09 AM

Sega of America pokes at 06 because they poke at Sonic in general now. That's been the online vibe for awhile now, taking part in the memes themselves. I think it is vastly oversimplifying it to say that they "hate 06." They recognize it for what it it, for what we all recognize it as - A bad game with some cool stuff in it.

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#78850: Jul 19th 2024 at 11:20:25 AM

A theory since Shadow Generations takes place during OG Generations, Shadow was underwhelmed a bit when he got hit by Infinite’s illusions in forces, since he’s done this song and dance already…retroactively at least.

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Edited by taotruths on Jul 19th 2024 at 11:32:54 AM


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