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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#78776: Jul 7th 2024 at 4:11:14 PM

Well, I was a kid when I first played the game, so I took everything pretty literally.

I feel special being one of those few to have played Battle. I got stuck on Shadow's chapter for a while, finally cleared it and I felt like my Emerl was just unstoppable. Then we euthanize him.

I like how Shadow related to Emerl. It's something the Archie comics did with him and Gamma too; Shadow's ability to empathize is one of the best aspects of his character.

Edited by FOFD on Jul 7th 2024 at 7:11:43 AM

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#78777: Jul 7th 2024 at 4:19:39 PM

Emerl wasn't on Archie, but I understand where you coming from, as Archie Shadow was very empathic with other machines aka tools of war. He tried to convince Metal Sonic to find a purpose, and he bonded with Gamma and Omega.

...Huh, written by Flynn. Sensing a pattern with IDW's plot points.

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#78778: Jul 7th 2024 at 4:24:00 PM

@Tomodachi yeah I don't think SA 2 was even trying to even give the idea that Maria and Shadow's time together was fake, that would be weird to think that.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#78779: Jul 7th 2024 at 4:26:59 PM

[up] (2) My syntax was bad, but I meant "they did the whole Shadow and Gamma thing in the Archie comics, and that was like what they did with Shadow and Emerl in Battle."

On principle I don't like idolizing specific writers, but Ian Flynn seems to be doing great with what he's allowed to use. Get him, Christian Whitehead, and the writers of the Sonic movie into a room together.

Edited by FOFD on Jul 7th 2024 at 7:28:51 AM

fateslay56 Since: May, 2023
#78780: Jul 7th 2024 at 6:36:06 PM

https://x.com/SEGAbits/status/1809673743263994006

Shadow was inspired by Spawn from Image comics according to the creators.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#78781: Jul 7th 2024 at 6:59:40 PM

Do we think they're gonna tie in the Shadow boss fight in OG generations to the Shadow campaign somehow? If they don't, it'd be really funny to have Shadow immediately try to fight Sonic after everything he went through.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#78782: Jul 7th 2024 at 7:01:41 PM

[up] (2) Not surprising. Anybody who grew up in the 90's and read Spawn could tell you the inspiration that color scheme had on a lot of edgy characters.

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#78783: Jul 8th 2024 at 9:23:55 AM

This is only a sneak peek, so I think its too early to say that the Gizoid Incident and the GUN Incident are literally one and the same.

Wait, was it not implied that the events were:

  • Gerald discovers Emerl, takes to ARK for research.
  • Emerl's berserker mode triggers because Gearld had a Chaos Emerald...somehow.
  • Shadow and Emerl fight.
  • Shadow wins (duh), G.U.N. is like "hey, if this old windbag can't handle a lousy robot, how can he handle a flesh and blood life form? We better shut it down."
  • Cue GUN Incident.
  • Cue Sonic Adventure 2.

Hey, look! The teaser is on YouTube and in HD!

Speaking of SA2, if Dark Beginnings has three episodes, and the first is the Gizoid Incident, what if the other two are remixes of the events of SA2 and the Shadow game (and Heroes and 06, I guess)?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jul 8th 2024 at 11:24:04 AM

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#78784: Jul 8th 2024 at 9:58:21 PM

Literally as this preview was coming out, I chose not to watch it, and was talking to someone about how I didn't want to buy the same game 3 times (I have regular Generations on PS 3 and Steam).

But if it's got EMERL?!?!?! I will ABSOLUTELY buy this game.

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#78785: Jul 9th 2024 at 4:32:05 AM

There's also a (Japan only) bit of external media that covers Rouge's report on Shadow during SA 2, and that also very explicitly raises the question on if Shadow's the original, or a clone Gerald made after the original died (as the capsule he was launched out of was never found).

https://web.archive.org/web/20070205100113/http://sonichq.mobiusforum.net/newsite/news/index.php/id.54

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78786: Jul 9th 2024 at 5:48:35 AM

That'd be depressing if true.

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#78787: Jul 9th 2024 at 6:29:49 AM

Sounds like a red herring deal to me.

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#78788: Jul 9th 2024 at 7:23:08 AM

I wonder if we will get the E-121 Phi robots and Gemerl?

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#78789: Jul 9th 2024 at 7:39:22 AM

I expect Gemerl to be acknowledged, but don't expect the Phi do be.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78790: Jul 9th 2024 at 7:41:59 AM

I always felt kinda bad for the Phis. They were like little siblings of Emerl but with no free will.

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#78791: Jul 9th 2024 at 8:14:41 AM

And very little personality. Two of them managed to gain a semblance of personality with Emeralds's shards, same way as Chaos Gamma did.

That's an interesting food for thought. Eggman machines don't tend to gain a personality unless an incident happens that make them sentient. I don't know what happened that caused Metal Sonic, Gamma and Omega to gain theirs; Sage appears to be a side effect of the Starfall Islands. Orbot and Cubot were just a side-gig Eggman did.

Edited by Tomodachi on Jul 9th 2024 at 8:19:20 AM

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#78792: Jul 9th 2024 at 8:18:25 AM

I believe the implication for Gamma was both a combination of seeing how Eggman treated the other robots along with meeting the Flickie Amy was helping that also happened to be the child of the Flickie inside of Gamma.

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#78793: Jul 9th 2024 at 8:34:27 AM

It WOULD be really daring if Shadow Generations decided to use the time travel gimmick to clear up all the questions about Shadow's identity and whether he's real or not.

The craziest answer would be "the original Shadow died along with Maria 50 years ago, Sonic Adventure 2 Shadow is a clone made by Gerald who died at the end of SA2, and Shadow after that point is a robot clone made by Eggman programmed to think he's the real Shadow". And then Generations has all three versions of Shadow fight each other.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 9th 2024 at 8:35:10 AM

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#78794: Jul 9th 2024 at 8:41:22 AM

Eggman straight up says in Shadow's game that Shadow isn't a robot, so it would be silly to retcon that now. Especially since tons of things imply Shadow can't be a robot.

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#78795: Jul 9th 2024 at 8:50:34 AM

It's too late to do the one interesting thing a clone story could've done...

They used it and all they did was have Shadow clones be a generic stage mook.

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Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#78796: Jul 9th 2024 at 9:26:47 AM

It WOULD be really daring if Shadow Generations decided to use the time travel gimmick to clear up all the questions about Shadow's identity and whether he's real or not.
There’s nothing to question. Any ambiguity that Shadow’s the original one has already been cleared up. He remembers stuff about María that would be very weird for a post María death Gerald to put in, and Eggman confirmed he’s not a clone.

wooden-ladybug93 Since: Feb, 2024
#78797: Jul 9th 2024 at 9:38:36 AM

My own case of Damn You, Muscle Memory! is in Sonic Heroes, I attempted to glide as Knuckles, only to forget that when in Power Formation it activates the "Triangle Dive".

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#78798: Jul 9th 2024 at 5:19:47 PM

Iizuka says he wants to make a Sonic RPG before he retires, being a bit surprised that they (Sonic Team) haven't fully tackled one.

Chronicles don't count in this instance since it was by Bioware and not Sonic Team or Iizuka

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#78799: Jul 9th 2024 at 5:48:10 PM
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#78800: Jul 9th 2024 at 5:58:46 PM

It's not really an RPG by typical standards just has some RPG elements.


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