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taotruths Live Jet Reaction (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: I sleep in a big bed with my wife.
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#78751: Jul 6th 2024 at 1:02:31 PM

okay so that was only a brief preview of Dark Beginnings, but HOLY SHIT EMERL VS SHADOW!

But it will be three episodes!

Preview link here.

Edited by taotruths on Jul 6th 2024 at 1:06:07 AM

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#78752: Jul 6th 2024 at 1:20:39 PM

[up][up] She looks a lot like Tetsuya Nomura's Aerith from the OG FF 7 days in that art. I think its the bangs.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Jul 6th 2024 at 4:21:08 AM

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taotruths Live Jet Reaction (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: I sleep in a big bed with my wife.
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#78753: Jul 6th 2024 at 1:21:39 PM

Zeno Robinson said the same thing on the panel, joking about how well that turned out

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#78754: Jul 6th 2024 at 1:26:56 PM

Ok so given what this short is covering I'm gonna say Either we get an Emerl rival fight in Shadow Generations, Emerl is the other playable character they've hinted at, or it's both.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#78755: Jul 6th 2024 at 1:45:20 PM

People talking about Mephiles or Infinite and they blatantly forgot Emerl too was an option

CHAT MY BABY HAS COME BACK TO ME! I HAVE MISSED HIM FOR 20 YEARS, BUT MY BABY BOT IS BACK IN THE SPOTLIGHT

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
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#78756: Jul 6th 2024 at 2:17:32 PM

Biolizard, Neo Metal Sonic, Black Doom, Mephiles the Dark, Doctor Eggman Nega, Ifrit, Emerl and Infinite. They are all villains Shadow fought who could serve as bosses. I could see Infinite fighting with the rest of his squad, but Shadow will have no idea who they are, even after the battle which will annoy Infinite, to the point of Infinite declaring himself Shadow's arch enemy while Shadow regards Black Doom and Mephiles the Dark as his arch enemies.

"May your heart be your guiding key"
erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#78757: Jul 6th 2024 at 4:27:58 PM

Emerl???? WTF???

I'm sold. I mean, I already was, but I still am.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#78759: Jul 6th 2024 at 6:28:33 PM

Sonic Battle, holy shit. Never thought I'd see the day.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78760: Jul 6th 2024 at 6:30:20 PM

Sonic Battle was one of my favorite games back in the day for its amazing story and character development with Emerl. So happy to see it getting more love. <3

I still cry every time at the ending.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#78761: Jul 6th 2024 at 7:46:36 PM

Idk whose bright idea was it to make you spend all game with Emerl and the cast before making you euthanize him in one of the franchise's most epic battles... but I hope they got compensated well. Still hits in the feels.

Edited by erazor0707 on Jul 6th 2024 at 7:46:49 AM

taotruths Live Jet Reaction (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: I sleep in a big bed with my wife.
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#78762: Jul 6th 2024 at 10:58:49 PM

This short has gotten me to retry my playthrough of Sonic Battle.

Knuckles was a real gatekeeper until i realized i could just play lame to win.

Although his Megaton Hook skill card actually is a pretty good skill for the early game for Emerl.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78763: Jul 6th 2024 at 11:48:20 PM

[up] When i first got the game I was stuck there for a while too XD

[up][up] Yeah, and seeing Emerl grow from a baby to a mature young robot with his own personality, learning different things from everyone... and he's such a sweet character by the end of it! He calls Amy "Mom," is on good terms with the entire cast, and even tries to be nice to Eggman.

The TearJerker.Sonic Battle could probably use an image.

I wanna replay the game myself now. Maybe I'll finally get Rouge's Ground POW move...

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 6th 2024 at 2:59:39 PM

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taotruths Live Jet Reaction (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: I sleep in a big bed with my wife.
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#78764: Jul 7th 2024 at 12:00:44 AM

[up]Probably, but any pic just might not look sad out of context, unfortunately, due to the game’s limited presentation.

I’m so glad I’m playing Battle since I remember this being the game I’ve wanted to play for the longest time for the story. I was devastated when watching a play through on You Tube.

Edited by taotruths on Jul 7th 2024 at 12:01:52 PM

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#78765: Jul 7th 2024 at 1:13:52 AM

...Obviously, the next step is for SEGA to work with Nintendo to get Sonic Battle added to Nintendo Switch Online! (I have no idea who owns the rights to Sonic Battle. Is it in a weird grey area like the Sonic Advance games allegedly are?)

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78766: Jul 7th 2024 at 1:23:02 AM

Battle was developed by Dimps and published either by Sega (in Japan) or THQ (outside of Japan) for the Nintendo Game Boy Advance.

I have no clue. XD

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KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#78767: Jul 7th 2024 at 8:20:08 AM

Dimps didn't work on Battle. I have no idea why the Sega wiki thinks they did, but they didn't. In any case, there's no legal grey area with Sonic Advance or Battle just because THQ published the original American & European releases. A representative for THQ Nordic was asked about it and they said they had no legal right to Sonic Advance and that Sega should have full rights. And they should, because publishing deals like the one Sega and THQ had generally work that way - THQ would pay the costs for manufacturing the GBA cartridges and get a big cut of the sales money, but Sega fully still owns the IP rights and can do whatever else they want with it.

You can pretty gather how it works by reading the legal info on the back of the box.

Original Game © SEGA CORPORATION. © SONICTEAM, SEGA CORPORATION, 2001, All Rights Reserved. Sonic the Hedgehog and all related characters are trademarks or registered trademarks of SEGA CORPORATION or its affiliates. This product is licensed by the Sega Corporation. Exclusively co-published by THQ Inc. THQ and the THQ logo trademarks and/or registered trademarks of THQ Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Sonic Advance 3's words it even more clearly.
ORIGINAL GAME © SEGA CORPORATION. © SONICTEAM / SEGA CORPORATION, 2004, All Rights Reserved. SEGA, SEGA logo, Sonic Advance, Sonic the Hedgehog and all related characters are registered trademarks or trademarks of SEGA CORPORATION or its affiliates. This product is manufactured under license from SEGA CORPORATION. Published by Sega. Exclusively distributed by THQ Inc. All rights reserved. All other trademarks, copyrights and/or logos are property of their respective owners.

The only evidence people have that there's legal issue is that the Sonic Advance trilogy got released for Wii U Virtual Console in Japan but nowhere else. But there could many reasons for that, and there almost certainly is since something people don't think about is that Sega released other games besides Sonic for Wii U VC, but they didn't release any of them outside Japan. Yet I don't see people claiming that Sega doesn't own the Western publishing rights to Chuchu Rocket or Shining Force. The most likely answer is that Sega of America simply didn't think it was worth the effort to put though the process to put VC games on the struggling Wii U.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#78768: Jul 7th 2024 at 8:24:23 AM

Finally saw the Dark Beginnings preview and...

Okay, it's only a minute and a half. But up until now, we only ever heard Kirk as Shadow the Parody.

But this? This is Kirk genuinely as Shadow the Hedgehog, full stop. [awesome]

And Shadow vs. Gotdang Emerl? LET'S FRACKING GO!

And this is three whole episodes? LET'S DOUBLE-FRACKING GO!!!

Ok so given what this short is covering I'm gonna say Either we get an Emerl rival fight in Shadow Generations, Emerl is the other playable character they've hinted at, or it's both.

I'm trying really hard not to hold my breath over this, but about that Japanese tweet that debunked the notion that the slot is for a new character, it hits me that Emerl is not really a new character in the strictest sense, now is he?

Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#78769: Jul 7th 2024 at 11:00:57 AM

Are... are they merging the Gizoids rampage and Marias death. Such as the Gizoids rampage is what leads to G.U.N. showing up which leads to Maria's death and Shadow having the mindset of revenge for SA 2.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#78770: Jul 7th 2024 at 11:09:45 AM

It seems they are. Sonic as a series seems to be doing some Arc Welding.

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#78771: Jul 7th 2024 at 11:14:37 AM

I think Sonic Adventure 2 is vague enough with the claim that GUN "Shut down the ARK under the premise that there had been an accident," that any retconning of it is a soft retcon at worst. Like, you could say there WAS an "accident" in the first place - And GUN afterwards used that as a justification to shut down the ARK.

This is only a sneak peek, so I think its too early to say that the Gizoid Incident and the GUN Incident are literally one and the same.

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#78772: Jul 7th 2024 at 2:43:40 PM

Adventure 2 is very vague, but it suggests Shadow never was on the Ark or met Maria. This was retconned with 05, and many details were likewise changed with Battle.

Making a complaint about it now sounds silly.

I suggest someone add an entry of Older Than They Think on the Generations (maybe Battle too) entries. Many folks on Twitter are wondering if they are retconning Emerl into Shadow's backstory - nevermind that Emerl's backstory was that he was found by Gerald and destroyed part of the Ark.

Not a lot of people played Sonic Battle, which, fair, it's a 20 years old game that hasn't been re-released.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#78773: Jul 7th 2024 at 3:13:33 PM

I'm pretty sure Adventure 2 never suggested that Shadow wasn't on the ARK or met Maria? He has Laser-Guided Amnesia and hadn't processed that Maria actually wanted him to save the human race, but those events were real.

Edited by FOFD on Jul 7th 2024 at 6:13:55 AM

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#78774: Jul 7th 2024 at 3:41:30 PM

[up][up]what? no, Shadow was born on the ark and lived there for a while, it was Gerald that messed his mind up as way to get revenge on G.U.N for killing Maria but he did meet her.

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#78775: Jul 7th 2024 at 4:04:21 PM

It is very vague, with many implications that Shadow was created AFTER the Ark incident on Prison Island.

Regardless, Sonic X and 05 retconned that. Sonic X follows the vagueness and ambiguity of Shadow and Maria's relationship possibly not even being real, but a false memory done by Gerald; Maria before her death never told anything to the hog before dying, but Shadow was on the Ark fine and dandy.

This is why Shadow's past is a mystery: it is contradictory in places, made to make you question how real it is. At least in his debut, the retcons clear some doubts.

Edited by Tomodachi on Jul 7th 2024 at 4:07:56 AM

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