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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78476: Jun 11th 2024 at 3:00:58 PM

Shadow is new to the 2D realm so I'm curious what kind of unique platforming he'll have.

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#78477: Jun 11th 2024 at 3:01:02 PM

I wonder why they never showed any 2-d act yet.

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#78478: Jun 11th 2024 at 3:19:05 PM

There was one segment in the latest trailer of Kingdom Valley that was a 2D stage that I am inclined to believe is one of the second acts.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#78479: Jun 11th 2024 at 3:37:22 PM

[up] (3) I notice that Shadow has a "Chaos Control" effect when he does his Homing Attack.

As for his 2d stages, I suspect that it's going to be a copy and paste of Sonic's. He's not that different unless you factor in his Shadow the Hedgehog abilities which ... "seems" to be the case if his Demonic Wings are any sign.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#78480: Jun 11th 2024 at 5:11:17 PM

I'm not sure why Shadow Generations has 2-D acts, since that's never really been a big Shadow thing.

Because it's a Sonic Generations expansion, and Generations was a game built on being half 2D and half 3D.

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#78481: Jun 11th 2024 at 5:16:29 PM

Shadow Generations also has a Frontiers-esque 3-D hub world. Clearly, they are willing to let it do things its own way in certain aspects. So it could have been both acts as 3-D levels.

Reiterating, it wasn't a complaint, just a thought.

Edited by diddyknux on Jun 11th 2024 at 7:17:48 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#78482: Jun 11th 2024 at 5:24:28 PM

It could've been, possibly, but it wasn't, because at the end of the day it's still a Generations expansion and is still designed to be a part of that experience. Iizuka explains this in the interview:

'Shadow Generations' is a different game from 'Sonic Generations', like both do exist on the game in one package, but because they’re both Generations games, we wanted to have a similar format. So just like how Sonic Generations has a 3D level that you get to play with the high-speed action, there’s also the side-scrolling gameplay for Sonic Generations... and for Shadow, [we] wanted to make sure [it] had 3D gameplay as well as 2D gameplay.

I think there's a lot of expectation for this to be an entirely stand-alone Shadow game that only just happens to be attached to Generations when it it's not.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 11th 2024 at 5:28:43 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#78483: Jun 12th 2024 at 10:22:02 AM

After watching the VGC video and others playing the Shadow Generations demo, here's what I noticed:

  • First off, I'd like to meet the wise guy at VGC who thought it'd be a great idea to remove the HUD... really takes away context.
  • Apparently it's documented that Sonic Generations has it so that both Sonics have the Drop Dash and you can map the homing attack to be X —> X, like in the OG game or X —> Square, like in Frontiers. Very cool!
  • Shadow's gameplay very clearly is based on Frontiers instead of Forces, so the Forces 2.0 babies can take a nap. Namely, it's like Frontiers' cyberspace levels, but bigger. Plus, alternate routes!
  • Looks like they updated Shadow's homing attack so that it isn't a copy-and-paste of Sonic's like in...pretty much every time Shadow was playable. Now he teleports directly on top of his target! It reminds me of that one moment in the Shadow game's opening cinematic when Shadow just teleports to attack stuff. (IYKYK.)
  • Just as I suspected, the wriggly thingie is referred to in the subtitles as "Doom's Eye", which tells me that Black Doom has yet to actually be seen. (Unless DE is now its own creature taking vengeance on BD's demise?)
  • Has Chaos Control been a gameplay mechanic in anything besides the Shadow game? Because here it stops time, allowing Shadow to use hazardous explosives as platforms!
  • Biolizard has sloshing gills(?) that remind me of Shin Godzilla's second form. (And it looks like I'm not the only one who saw the resemblance!)

So for the time, it looks like they're cooking! grin

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#78484: Jun 12th 2024 at 10:26:25 AM

Doom's eye is Black Doom as the eye can separate from the body.

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#78485: Jun 12th 2024 at 10:32:53 AM

Shadow's gameplay very clearly is based on Frontiers instead of Forces

That, and the ability to map the homing attack controls to be like Frontiers, sound like that game's success might be influencing other games in the series. As someone who beat Frontiers 5 times and loves it, I'm glad to hear this!

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#78486: Jun 12th 2024 at 10:43:27 AM

First off, I'd like to meet the wise guy at VGC who thought it'd be a great idea to remove the HUD... really takes away context.

Something tells me this wasn't just a VGC thing, and more a Sega thing, since other sites shared the exact same footage with the UI removed.

This isn't particularly new either, considering how, when Sega released pre-release footage for Sonic Frontiers and Sonic Superstars they were also devoid of UI elements.

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#78487: Jun 12th 2024 at 11:27:05 AM

@Targetmaster In Sonic Adventure 2: Battle Shadow could use Chaos Control in 2 player battles.

Sonic could use Time Stop, which is weird...

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#78488: Jun 12th 2024 at 1:53:15 PM

Shadow's homing attack is functionally the same, but visually it looks like the Chaos Snap version of his homing attack from Sonic Nex Gen.

Which is different from the Episode Shadow homing attack allowing him to instantly chain a bunch of targets.

Doom's Eye...is indeed Black Doom, as the name would indicate. There's no distinction.

Chaos Control is used in Sonic Rivals as well, his special item move. Also Sonic Heroes Team Blast.

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#78489: Jun 12th 2024 at 2:01:24 PM

So... I'm not the only one perturbed by Shadow growing FREAKING WINGS right

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#78490: Jun 12th 2024 at 2:05:10 PM

I'm kinda shocked by it myself. Its such a drastic thing I wonder if they'll actually stick around a while.

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#78491: Jun 12th 2024 at 2:05:53 PM

Thats just him being Edgy. tongue

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#78492: Jun 12th 2024 at 2:09:46 PM

Fallen Angel kinda thing.

The Ark was his Heaven, G.U.N. caused his fall by killing Maria, etc.

Edited by Keybreak on Jun 12th 2024 at 4:09:55 AM

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ImmaLelouch (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#78493: Jun 12th 2024 at 3:05:07 PM

Chocotopus DX's Shadow video with raw audio so you don't hear his commentary.

Also, I wanna say that Fadel has biggest savior of this game on twitter and shown that this isn't Forces 2.0.

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#78494: Jun 12th 2024 at 3:22:13 PM

Dat supporting me remix.

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SolidSonicTH Since: Jan, 2011
#78495: Jun 12th 2024 at 3:33:12 PM

I've basically taken myself out of every Sonic community I was a part of at this point and I feel like I have no home left.

Anyone got a place I can hang my hat or is this the end of the line for me as a Sonic fan?

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#78496: Jun 12th 2024 at 3:45:14 PM

[up][up][up] In my experience, most of Sonic twitter has been hyped as hell for Shadow Generations, weird-ass wings included. Haven't seen any "Forces 2.0" discourse myself. Guess I've just been lucky.

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#78497: Jun 12th 2024 at 3:55:34 PM

[up]I've seen one instance of Sonic Forces 2.0 Discourse on Twitter, and I'd rather just get hyped for the game on my own

Edited by taotruths on Jun 12th 2024 at 3:55:55 AM

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#78498: Jun 12th 2024 at 3:57:39 PM

calling the game Forces 2.0 is a bit of a disservice. The base game would have to be colors ultimate-tier borked for it to even content to that shitfest.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Jun 12th 2024 at 3:57:53 AM

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#78499: Jun 12th 2024 at 4:49:50 PM

@ The Azure Star of Doom: I've always liked to imagine Doom's Eye is the actual Black Doom and his main body is just a Meat Puppet he uses to fight

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#78500: Jun 12th 2024 at 4:50:48 PM

[up][up]Forces wasn't plagued with glitches, right? I don't remember that being the case. Forces had other issues, like the writing and plotting.


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