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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#78401: Jun 9th 2024 at 5:48:25 AM

Minor, miss-able audio-only references that could be removed from the game entirely and not change the plot. Nice to have, but not essential either.

SEGA doesn't have to follow up on any of them, and then people will be angry because they thought those continuity nods were proof that "canon matters" when it never really did. It's a nasty psychological gambit that elevates nostalgia over the franchise's actual narrative patterns.

It's been the same thing since "Two Worlds" became a thing. Everybody got worked up over it, as if it reduced the storytelling ability of this franchise (while totally accepting Baldy Mcnosehairs as a Sonic-ism and Eggman being reduced to Dr. Doofenschmirtz levels of villainy) when all it really amounted to was Fang, Mighty, Bark, and Classic versions of Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Robotnik not appearing in the Modern games which weren't likely to incorporate them anyway.

Edited by FOFD on Jun 9th 2024 at 9:03:46 AM

Sid-Starkiller Since: Jan, 2021
#78402: Jun 9th 2024 at 7:03:15 AM

That's not what the whole "two worlds" thing was. That was Iizuka's insistence that the world Sonic came from and the world humans lived on were different. We complained because it made certain story elements (for example Shadow's backstory) too convoluted, and has since been decanonized anyway.

magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#78403: Jun 9th 2024 at 8:02:56 AM

For why I compared Biolizard to Shin Godzilla (form 2), look at the neck and all those disturbing looking gills.

Edited by magnum12 on Jun 9th 2024 at 8:03:15 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#78404: Jun 9th 2024 at 9:52:15 AM

It's bizarre to take a remake of Generations, a game all about continuity, as the time to say canon isn't real.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#78405: Jun 9th 2024 at 9:54:17 AM

Continuity isn't canon...

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#78406: Jun 9th 2024 at 9:59:19 AM

Didn't they make classic Sonic from another dimension in Forces?

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taotruths Live Jet Reaction (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: I sleep in a big bed with my wife.
Live Jet Reaction
#78407: Jun 9th 2024 at 10:06:53 AM

[up]That's a mistranslation, the original thing tails says is "Sonic from another world," and it's definitively sonic from the past not another dimension, universe, timeline, what have you

KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#78408: Jun 9th 2024 at 10:19:40 AM

We had this conversation about Classic Sonic in Forces a couple months ago. I'm just gonna look up and copypaste what I said back then.

The thing about Classic Sonic being from another world was something that confused Japanese fans as well. Yes, "sekai" can be used figuratively like saying "the future world", but if you say someone is from "another sekai" it's literally the exact same as if you hear someone is from "another world" in English, you're going to assume that they mean an alternative dimension or something and not time travel. Additionally, there are places where Classic Sonic is referred to as from "another dimension" (betsu jigen) which adds to that.

It wasn't something made by the English dub in this case, both sides were being weird about what Classic Sonic was supposed to be and fans on both sides were confused and annoyed by it.

Here's what Tails says in English
Oh! You're that Sonic from another dimension, aren't you!
Right, right, right, that makes sense, I think. Do you know how you got here?
Maybe the power that Eggman is using is somehow affecting other dimensions.

And here's what he says in Japanese, with a really direct translation that isn't trying to sound natural.
You're... You're another world's Sonic! ...Right?
Whaaat, so that's how it is... But, huh? How did [you come] here?
Perhaps, that mysterious power of Eggman's is making the dimensional boundaries strange...?

Take it as you will. But also it should be remembered that Forces has a weird double localization thing going on where it was written in Japanese first, rewritten and animated in English, and then rewritten in Japanese again for the Japanese version. So these English lines aren't translated from the Japanese lines, the Japanese lines were translated from the English lines which were translated and rewritten from the first Japanese script that we don't publicly have access to to know what exactly it said originally.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#78409: Jun 9th 2024 at 11:48:13 AM

Wait, didn't we hear about Sonic X Shadow Generations prior to this announcement?

Or am I just insane?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#78410: Jun 9th 2024 at 11:54:25 AM

"Just"...

No.

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Sid-Starkiller Since: Jan, 2021
#78411: Jun 9th 2024 at 12:07:58 PM

[up][up]I mean we knew the game existed, but it's always nice to get more details

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#78412: Jun 9th 2024 at 1:27:01 PM

[up][up][up]Are you talking about the leaks about the trailer before Summer Game Fest or the general presence of Sonic x Shadow? Cause Sonic X Shadow was announced back at January Play Station State of Play

MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#78413: Jun 9th 2024 at 3:27:56 PM

I didn't know it existed until a few minutes ago.

And I have no bloody clue what to make of it.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#78414: Jun 9th 2024 at 3:50:15 PM

It's Sonic's equivalent to Mario's "Bowser's Fury"...

A short extra campaign attached to a mostly untouched port.

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#78415: Jun 9th 2024 at 5:34:05 PM

Pretty extensive interview with VGC and Iizuka

Some key points:

  • No, there is no Chao Garden in Sonadow Generations - I jumped the gun on that, but Iizuka is saying that they are considering on bringing it back since they hear it and everybody wants it
  • There's no 3DS gameplay (he was asked about levels so I'm going to take this as a no 3DS levels)
  • Shadow takes a gun because he is resourceful, but Shadow is also extremely powerful on his own - he is a weapon. Basically - no guns in Shadow Generations.
  • The game is developed in Japan by Sonic Team, and one of the original designers of the game, Katsuyuki Shigihara is directing the game. A bunch of old staff who worked on the original are back for this game too.
  • Despite Superstars' reception, Iizuka found it fun to work with Arzest and Oshima and want to try working on something else in the future

TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#78416: Jun 9th 2024 at 6:15:14 PM

[up] I am really skeptical of a sequel to Superstars being made by Arzest, if that's on the cards. Though to be fair, I don't know if their horrible track record is their fault or bad luck since Balan Wonderworld was rushed out the door and Superstars was developed in like two years and it clearly shows in the final product. I hope that Sega at least gives Arzest more time if they do and Arzest gives it more focus and polish. I really, really wanted to like Superstars but I hated it.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Jun 9th 2024 at 9:16:02 AM

Once Upon A Time.
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78417: Jun 9th 2024 at 7:02:25 PM

Arzest/Artoon is known for making middling games at best, with the music probably being their biggest point of contention but also far too many Fake Difficulty moments.

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#78418: Jun 9th 2024 at 7:13:02 PM

So I played through Superstars as Sonic, and my final review is that the boss fights get a ranking of Bad/10, while everything else (and by extension, the entire game) gets a ranking of Videogame/10.

Groundbreaking take, I know.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78419: Jun 9th 2024 at 7:15:22 PM

Wait til you play as Trip...

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#78420: Jun 9th 2024 at 7:22:12 PM

Do you get an instant game over if you say the word "melon"?

Ahem. I might experiment with Trip, but I'm only borrowing the copy of the game I have, so it depends on how much more time I can get with it.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78421: Jun 9th 2024 at 7:27:01 PM

No, but Trip's final boss had a one-hit-kill move that's very hard to dodge.

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TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#78423: Jun 9th 2024 at 8:49:36 PM

I give it a 3/10. It's an at best okay game that is dragged down way further by the bosses, Trip's campaign, and simply being a downgrade over Mania in every way.

Once Upon A Time.
Sid-Starkiller Since: Jan, 2021
#78424: Jun 9th 2024 at 8:53:52 PM

[up]x9 is he trying to pretend like people haven't been screaming for Chao Gardens to come back since...probably Heroes?

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Live Jet Reaction
#78425: Jun 10th 2024 at 11:53:18 AM

Choctopus got to play the game and we can hear the level music for the Space Colony Ark. It's a remix of Final Rush

And the Supporting me Mix, ooohhhh that's good

Edited by taotruths on Jun 10th 2024 at 11:59:47 AM


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