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KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#78326: Jun 7th 2024 at 11:06:35 AM

If we're doing risk assessment on if Sega will screw up Sonic x Shadow Generations, then it's probably worth comparing the circumstances it's being made under to Colors Ultimate and Origins.

Colors Ultimate was outsourced to Blind Squirrel, and their solution to quickly porting a Wii game to all modern platforms was to do a weird thing where the original Wii code is being run within a layer of modified Godot engine which is handling the graphical backend and UI. That apparently has a lot to do with the graphical glitches it suffered from, with the Godot part of the code calling on graphical hardware that the original Wii part of the code wasn't equipped to handle.

Origins was made by Sonic Team themselves, but it's kind of similar issue. The ports of 1, 2, and CD in it are the same ones made earlier for PC and smartphones, which were made in an engine by Taxman called Retro Engine. Sonic Mania was made in the same engine. Sonic Team then used the same engine to port 3&K for Origins, but seemingly they weren't used to using it which is why 3&K was particularly buggy on release. However Origins as a whole in running in a layer of Hedgehog Engine which for some reason also handles the audio in the games, so which leads to all the games having audio issues the previous ports didn't have.

Shadow Generations is being made by Sonic Team themselves, it's a game that's already been ported to PC, and Sonic Team should still have the source code to it, so it should probably be easy to re-port to PC and to all the modern consoles. Of course, the staff at Sonic Team is almost entirely different now then when it made Generations, but going off the revealed visuals of the game and things that have been said, it seems like the old parts of the game may be pretty much untouched from how it already was, but the new Shadow content is being made in the newer version of Hedgehog Engine and other tools Sonic Team currently uses. So I would say there's not much cause for concern that they'll screw up the existing game, but the Shadow content my look and feel significantly different from the rest of the game.

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#78327: Jun 7th 2024 at 11:09:36 AM

[up] Fair enough but I had them releasing Shadow Generations far before it was ready in mind. Sonic Superstars came out last year and was very rough on launch from what I hear.

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diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#78328: Jun 7th 2024 at 3:15:44 PM

Kingdom Valley!!!! And Bullet Station.

It does look like the Sonic Generations side is basically untouched, unless they're saving those as surprises.

Edited by diddyknux on Jun 7th 2024 at 5:16:50 AM

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#78329: Jun 7th 2024 at 3:17:27 PM

Just as importantly, bonus Terios skin based off of pre-release prototype SA2 Shadow.

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#78330: Jun 7th 2024 at 3:24:22 PM

[up] Just when we thought the rabbit costume in Superstars was as deep as they were gonna get in terms of deep cuts. surprised

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#78331: Jun 7th 2024 at 3:31:44 PM

Mephelis has to be in now...

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#78332: Jun 7th 2024 at 3:38:35 PM

anything on the jukebox?

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#78333: Jun 7th 2024 at 3:39:15 PM

Apparently extra songs might be added if that DLC poster is any indication. Not to mention open zone gameplay might be a thing in Shadow's story.

Are explosions science?
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#78334: Jun 7th 2024 at 3:56:17 PM

Shadow sprouted wings using his Black Arms genes? :O

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#78335: Jun 7th 2024 at 4:00:05 PM

This expansion is getting interesting.

king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#78336: Jun 7th 2024 at 4:02:36 PM

Looks really good, and I'm glad Shadow doesn't seem to just be a Modern Sonic reskin gameplay-wise.

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#78337: Jun 7th 2024 at 4:08:30 PM

Japanese Key art for Sonic x Shadow.

Okay, this one is better, I'd make this into an alternate box art

Edited by taotruths on Jun 7th 2024 at 4:08:41 AM

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#78338: Jun 7th 2024 at 4:12:41 PM

Eh, I'd say its okay, still not fantastic. Calling back to Sonic Adventure 2's logo gets it extra points, though.

There were rumors about Chao stuff floating around, and there are a couple hints on the end screens of the trailer (Chao floating around behind the three hedgehogs, and some kind of Omochao "Credit Card" thingy). But whatever the significance is, they decided not to announce it here.

Edited by diddyknux on Jun 7th 2024 at 6:13:57 AM

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#78339: Jun 7th 2024 at 4:13:55 PM

New details from the official website

3D Hub World for Shadow!

These powers are called "Doom Powers", and they are used to unlock more stuff. Powers include surfing, flying, and stopping time.

Edited by taotruths on Jun 7th 2024 at 4:14:45 AM

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#78340: Jun 7th 2024 at 4:15:20 PM

Neat, cool to see them putting their Frontiers experience (explicitly called out by the site) to use.

Edited by diddyknux on Jun 7th 2024 at 6:15:46 AM

Sid-Starkiller Since: Jan, 2021
#78341: Jun 7th 2024 at 4:19:59 PM

Nvm, deleted

Edited by Sid-Starkiller on Jun 7th 2024 at 7:20:56 AM

mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
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#78342: Jun 7th 2024 at 4:47:05 PM

Can I just say, I just love how Classic is nowhere to be seen on the Japanese boxart? Seriously, someone on Sonic Retro told me they've constantly been hearing stuff about Japan never caring about Classic Sonic, and I honestly feel like I'd be right at home there.

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magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#78343: Jun 7th 2024 at 4:53:20 PM

Wasn’t a lot of what happened with Sonic Colors connected to Yuzu’s pirating switch emulator screwing shit up?

Sid-Starkiller Since: Jan, 2021
#78344: Jun 7th 2024 at 4:56:18 PM

[up]I don't remember the specific details, but yes, it wasn't *just* the game itself

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#78345: Jun 7th 2024 at 4:59:05 PM

...I realize now that it would've been perfectly legit if this Shadow campaign was an excuse to bring the 3DS Generations levels to this remake.

But that's fine too.

Also Classic Sonic is great and never look a gift hog in the ears.

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KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#78346: Jun 7th 2024 at 5:02:01 PM

[up][up][up]No, that was just cope, like when people first blamed emulators for the glitches in the last couple Pokemon games. All the glitches found in emulators where also found to be there on actual Switch hardware. The game was just that buggy and the Switch port had it the worst.

Edit: From what I can find, there was one particular video posted on Twitter at the time that the uploader deleted soon after that had Sonic glitching out and T-posing, and this particular one was supposedly either an emulator bug or intentionally faked, and people starting using this as proof that all the glitches were faked or emulator bugs.

Edited by KuroBaraHime on Jun 7th 2024 at 8:13:25 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78347: Jun 7th 2024 at 5:15:06 PM

I wonder if Black Doom ever ran into THE END at all.

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#78348: Jun 7th 2024 at 5:26:14 PM

[up]x3 Rail Canyon and Kingdom Valleey weren't in the 3DS version.

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#78349: Jun 7th 2024 at 5:27:24 PM

Closer look at the key art.

We get to see Black Doom in all his starfish glory and three Chao

Edited by taotruths on Jun 7th 2024 at 5:37:42 AM

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#78350: Jun 7th 2024 at 5:49:28 PM

[up][up][up] The End has been trapped for thousand of years, so who knows. We don't know for how long Doom has lived, we know he is at least older than 2000 years when he invaded the Earth to put temple ships.

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