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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#78251: Jun 2nd 2024 at 7:03:18 AM

I mean, that's kinda how Sonic Adventure 1 did things all the way back then. It took the classic games as reference, and just kind of picked up on the general understanding that you knew who everyone was. It helps the introductions summed up who they were, and just moved on. Like, the first time you'll see Amy, she's already helping the bird, wanting to hang with Sonic, and being a bit of a ditz. It tells you everything you need to know. There's an economy of storytelling I've come to appreciate about that era in hindsight. Even the often memed "Long time, no see!" shows everyone knows each other in as few words as needed.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#78252: Jun 2nd 2024 at 7:51:40 AM

Frontiers has Sonic referencing a bunch of past games...

Not to mention "Parts of this island are real lovely. I should bring Cream here sometime."

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#78253: Jun 2nd 2024 at 7:59:59 AM

Man, why does nobody want to bring Cream along. Even the devs of Dream Team noted they specifically wanted to give her a role, because she's been largely absent from the franchise lately.

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#78254: Jun 2nd 2024 at 8:03:37 AM

Maybe they just don't know what to do with her in the games? So they don't bother having her included if she doesn't have a clear role or arc.

Edited by TheDarkMantis on Jun 2nd 2024 at 3:04:03 PM

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#78255: Jun 2nd 2024 at 9:07:53 AM

the big problems are

  • That Sonic is until recently the only playable character
  • that Cream is still a minor
  • and that her powerset is kinda redundant (her only power is flight and Tails also has that) which excavates the issue with point one. Though that is more minor in comparison.

The best thing to do for Cream would be to have a game focused on...Amy

Hear me out. Frontiers had implied that Sonic's friends will be doing some adventuring on their own. While it is very likely those will be off-screen there is some potential for spinoffs here. Cream has been heavily established to be close friends with Amy (and Blaze) and it is unlikely Amy would cross paths with Tails often enough to rely on the fox. So there is an opportunity for Cream to have a more prominent role in an Amy-focused game when she would in a Sonic or Knuckles focused one (Tails is more iffy, the paring can work if the devs focus it entirely around flight mechanics)

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#78256: Jun 2nd 2024 at 9:20:59 AM

Dream Team uses Cream by just having there be two available characters for each gameplay style - basically a “do you want to play as a boy or a girl” thing.

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#78257: Jun 2nd 2024 at 11:27:20 AM

I miss having Cream in the games because I really loved her fight moves of using Cheese to hit the enemies.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78258: Jun 2nd 2024 at 11:31:44 AM

If the comics are any indication Cream is more of a civilian nowadays instead of going on adventures.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#78259: Jun 2nd 2024 at 12:13:09 PM

The comics have Cream as technically a civilian but constantly going on adventures with the heroes anyway.

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#78260: Jun 2nd 2024 at 12:15:55 PM

that Cream is still a minor

While true, Tails is only two years older than her.

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#78261: Jun 2nd 2024 at 1:02:58 PM

...yes, SEGA just wants to treat this as an obstacle now, but it's just an excuse to use not use her.

Also Charmy is the same age.

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#78262: Jun 2nd 2024 at 1:03:34 PM

If we do get games starring Tails, Amy, and Knuckles away from Sonic, what would be their supporting cast? I like the idea of Team Rose for Amy, but what about Tails and Knuckles? Would Knuckles team up with the Chaotix again, even though he's barely associated with them nowadays? Tails doesn't have a supporting cast. Would he work with Team Dark for the contrast? Eggman and his robots, a "nerd squad"? The Babylonians, since he can fly and they're birds? Or would Tails just be alone? That last option seems too depressing.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#78263: Jun 2nd 2024 at 1:08:23 PM

Tails has a bunch of personal villains, at least, though he doesn’t have any personal friends or people to interact with beyond the usual of Sonic’s friend groups.

They could always give him characters from IDW, provided they’re serious about the games using stuff from that medium.

Or they could just create some new characters. Like, if a Tails game has him fighting the Kukkos again, they could make a good Kukko for him to be friends with.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 2nd 2024 at 1:09:15 AM

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#78264: Jun 2nd 2024 at 1:10:56 PM

I'd think A Tails game would likely lean into a mix of the usual and a more robotic supporting cast. Given his coming off as a heroic foil to Eggman.

As for Knuckles, the Chaotix are prolly out partly due to Penders, but Rouge is more likely and there is the possibility for more treasure hunters getting involved (maybe even bounty hunters like Fang).

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78265: Jun 2nd 2024 at 1:40:25 PM

I'd love another Tails Adventure-style game. (Especially cause I never beat it...)

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#78266: Jun 2nd 2024 at 1:42:20 PM

I feel like if we take Shadow the Hedgehog as a basis, Sonic would still be in any character specific spinoff, the game just wouldn't be about him.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#78267: Jun 2nd 2024 at 1:50:46 PM

yeah cameos are the most likely option.

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#78268: Jun 2nd 2024 at 2:57:14 PM

I'd love a Tails-centric game where Eggman is in it but isn't the main villain. Tails and Eggman have a neat dynamic that only gets to come out sometimes because Tails is usually with Sonic whenever they interact, and Sonic is the focus of any scene Sonic and Eggman are in. But when we do get to see it, they're both huge techbro nerds with vastly different scruples and it's a lot of fun to see them bounce off of one another.

So in a hypothetical Tails game, I'd want Tails to develop his own archnemeses and stuff to fight, but I'd also want to see him have some screentime to bounce off of Eggman without Sonic around.

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#78269: Jun 2nd 2024 at 6:16:37 PM

Am I the only person who wishes Sega made a sequel to Lost World instead of Forces? Lost World is a mixed bag, but had so many cool ideas and a lot of potential. A sequel with more focus and tighter design could be great.

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#78270: Jun 2nd 2024 at 6:25:00 PM

We don't have a sequel to either...so I can't bother.

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#78271: Jun 2nd 2024 at 6:26:32 PM

Honestly, they should've. I actually like a lot of Lost World's mechanics in theory, but they're unpolished, and the game gets too distracted with all of the gimmick levels.

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Sid-Starkiller Since: Jan, 2021
#78272: Jun 2nd 2024 at 7:23:19 PM

Nah, throw Lost World in the trash where it belongs.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#78273: Jun 2nd 2024 at 7:40:15 PM

I kinda agree with that, I feel like you could polish Lost World's gameplay style into something more interesting in the future.

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#78274: Jun 3rd 2024 at 1:57:16 AM

Like 90% of the recurring game cast's a minor lol

Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Cream, Espio, Charmy, Silver, Blaze, so on & so forth

The only characters who aren't are Eggman, Eggman Nega, the robots (irrelevant), Shadow (technicality, given he's artificially created and his age is listed as "unknown"), Rouge, Big, and Vector.

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#78275: Jun 3rd 2024 at 3:10:05 AM

And even then you wouldn't notice at first glance because they're all cartoon animals, with Cream and Charmy being the exceptions because they're much shorter and have more childish voices, whereas the others sound older.

Edited by TheDarkMantis on Jun 3rd 2024 at 10:10:27 AM

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