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#78151: May 28th 2024 at 7:09:28 AM

[up]No, it's basically an entirely separate campaign path that you can go back and forth between with the regular one.

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#78152: May 28th 2024 at 7:10:12 AM

IIRC it's the same island but new challenges and stuff dedicated for them. You can safely do Ouranos Island and the Update portal will throw you into new stuff with each of the new playable characters

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#78153: May 28th 2024 at 10:07:55 AM

Cool! Thanks for clarifying.

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#78154: May 28th 2024 at 2:00:52 PM

I'm examining the difference between the monologue of the final boss in the English version and in the Japanese version.

The Japanese version seems confused while the English version sounds assured in its destruction.

So I think I prefer the English.

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#78155: May 28th 2024 at 2:39:01 PM

So apparently the Knuckles TV show has been around for a month and I never heard about it somehow. I'm guessing it didn't get much attention?

king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#78156: May 28th 2024 at 2:42:16 PM

It received generally positive reviews and did very well on Paramount+. However, it was controversial among the fandom, as Knuckles is (apparently, I have yet to watch it) barely in it, and instead it focuses on Wade. General consensus seems to be that it's a good show if you treat it as a show about Wade with Knuckles as a side character, but a bad Knuckles show.

Edited by king15 on May 28th 2024 at 9:42:32 AM

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#78157: May 28th 2024 at 3:13:49 PM

General consensus seems to be that it's a good show if you treat it as a show about Wade with Knuckles as a side character, but a bad Knuckles show.

That's a good assessment, yes. It's the story of Wade's journey to become a great bowler, connect with his family, and find closure for his father's abandonment - With Knux playing the role of life coach and personal trainer.

And also they're being hunted by rogue bad guys that Wade and Knux have to fight sometimes. And I do mean both of them, as Wade gets about as many action scenes as Knuckles does. It's basically Team Rocket with a G.U.N. aesthetic but it gives them someone to punch.

If your favorite part of the Sonic movies is catching up on what Tom and Maddy are up to, you'll probably have a good time with the Knuckles show. But if you're here to see Sonic characters doing Sonic things then those moments are few and far between.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 28th 2024 at 4:20:25 AM

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#78158: May 28th 2024 at 3:38:19 PM

Ah, one of those "focus on the humans to save money on animation" type shows. I so hate the fact that companies keep doing that. They need to be punished for it with low viewership, but executives being what they are, if that happened, the execs would simply learn the lesson of "people don't like a Knuckles show" rather than "people want Knuckles in the show."

Executives follow patterns all the time and often seem to learn the wrong lessons of why something succeeded or failed.

I just looked at the reviews on IMDB and wow, nearly everyone is saying the show focuses too much on the stupid humans.

Edited by BonsaiForest on May 28th 2024 at 3:44:31 AM

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#78159: May 28th 2024 at 4:31:33 PM

For Year of Shadow, top 10 Shadow moments from the official Sonic You Tube Channel across game canon.

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Edited by taotruths on May 28th 2024 at 4:31:52 AM

KaoticKanine from Vania of Pencils Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#78160: May 28th 2024 at 5:04:00 PM

So I just learned that LS Mark has a separate YouTube channel dedicated to Sonic. And he just released a video discussing Amy Rose!

To sum up the video cause that's an important rule, Mark discusses how Amy was and still is a very controversial character in the franchise, how Amy used to be (analyzing her character from CD to Unleashed), how Amy is now (analyzing her character from Lost World to Forces), and finishing with how Frontiers... Wasn't the best Amy had been written ^^;

I know this thread has seen a lot of Amy discussion and some folks are sick of it. I'm just gonna say that this is surprisingly one of the best video discussions about Amy, and I agree with Mark's points.

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#78161: May 28th 2024 at 8:30:28 PM

Who could be sick of Amy Rose discussion?

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#78162: May 29th 2024 at 12:55:28 AM

I feel like I'm one of the few that did like Amy's writing in Frontiers. I thought aiming her character away from obsessing over Sonic, and emphasizing more generally how love and compassion are important to her, was a good character beat for her.

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TheDarkMantis Shadow Bug from Ocean of Storms Since: Nov, 2017 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
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#78163: May 29th 2024 at 1:24:57 AM

I agree that moving her away from being an obsessive Sonic lover was a good call, because it allows her to have far more depth and characterization, and actually be her own person instead of being defined by her Single-Target Sexuality.

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Sid-Starkiller Since: Jan, 2021
#78164: May 29th 2024 at 3:06:31 AM

I mean just saying "Frontiers is not her best" isn't necessarily saying that's her worst (of the sources I know I'd put Sonic Battle at her worst). Although to clarify I do quite like Frontiers Amy.

king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#78165: May 29th 2024 at 3:06:48 AM

[up][up][up]I'm very much the same. I don't mind Amy having a crush on Sonic, but for a while that seemed to be her main characterisation. I definitely prefer Frontiers Amy, though I get why people don't.

Edited by king15 on May 29th 2024 at 10:07:09 AM

KaoticKanine from Vania of Pencils Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#78166: May 29th 2024 at 5:54:59 AM

[up][up] When I said that Mark thought "Frontiers is not Amy's best", that was just me sugarcoating his actual opinion. Mark actually found Amy's writing in Frontiers to be "genuinely awful". And I'm inclined to agree with him because, as he explained in the video which I highly recommend watching, it's only 13 minutes long, there's nothing to really like about Amy in Frontiers. There was nothing really compelling about her character; no real emotion, no real personality, no real dynamic with Sonic... And the whole "share love with the whole world" is a vague goal that, at best, is a repeat of Amy's declaration to become "independent" at the end of her story in Adventure 1- a game in which Amy has emotion, a personality, a dynamic with Sonic, and a clear-cut goal.

Like, it's no real coincidence that Knuckles and Tails' respective writing has gotten more attention and praise from people than Amy's. If Frontiers was your very first exposure to Amy's character, or alternatively if Frontiers was it's own thing completely removed from Sonic, what about her character as written would make you care about her, be compelled by her? From what I've seen and heard, Frontiers!Amy is caring... And that's about it. Every previous Sonic game before Lost World was able to have Amy as a "nice and caring" person while also possessing a personality; that of a spunky and eccentric girl who is smitten with a very cool dude and also lives for the thrill of adventure.

And with that, I have to disagree with the notion that having Amy "move on from Sonic" gives her more depth and characterization. For as much as Amy was defined by her love for Sonic, there was always more to her character than just that. Adventure 1, Amy was hard focused on helping the Flicky find its family and protect it from ZERO, and felt enough empathy for Gamma that she stood against Sonic to protect the robot. Adventure 2, Amy helped to break Sonic out of prison because she correctly knew that he was wrongfully arrested, and afterwards became more concerned with trying to be of help to the heroes; which she succeeded in by managing to reason with Shadow. Heroes, Amy was just as if not more invested in helping Big and Cream find Froggy and Chocola as she was to find Sonic, and displayed both combat prowess (after being a mostly weak civilian beforehand) and genuine leadership skills, namely keeping Big and Cream's spirits high whenever they got down. Hell, as this Twitter threadnote  points out, Amy didn't even get involved in Riders 1 to pursue Sonic; she signed up for the racing tournament because it looked fun and exciting! Sonic's presence was just a nice bonus for her, and it wasn't even something she harped on after first meeting him.

I could go on, but the ultimate point is that Amy was always a well-rounded character. Yeah, she got flanderized at times in the 2000's, but what character fucking didn't get flanderized during that time? And even then, "Loving Sonic" being Amy's most prominent trait isn't a bad thing, just as much as Tails' loyalty to Sonic being his defining trait isn't bad. If anything, the attempts to downplay/remove Amy's romantic feelings for Sonic has made her more one-dimensional than ever. Amy could at least be described as "an excitable girl in love with a boy" in the 2000's, from Lost World to Frontiers she can only be described as "a girl". And I'm sorry, but I'm sick of this being considered "character development/growth".

Edited by KaoticKanine on May 29th 2024 at 8:55:56 AM

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#78167: May 29th 2024 at 6:00:14 AM

Divisive opinion, I get it. No amount of walls of texts would make it more objective, you know.

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#78168: May 29th 2024 at 6:20:35 AM

That does raise an interesting point, in that a lot of Frontiers is about course correcting for other games, to the point that I have no idea how it'd stand if it was the first game you've ever played.

I think it's most notable with the Tails segments, but there are hints of it in Knuckles and Amy's bits too.

KaoticKanine from Vania of Pencils Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#78169: May 29th 2024 at 6:30:32 AM

[up][up] I'm well aware of that. I'm nonetheless going to argue my point with as much hard and clear evidence as I can provide so most people can at least understand where I'm coming from. Especially when it seems people are ignoring the provided videos/essays that better summarize my points.

king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#78170: May 29th 2024 at 6:31:32 AM

[up][up][up][up]I get your opinion, but to me, Amy in Frontiers is a compelling character. She's calm, she's caring. That on it's own might not sound interesting, but the execution is what does to me. It genuinely feels interesting to listen to her and her opinions on the events in the game, especially seeing her play off the more mature Sonic characterisation. She's The Heart, which I personally find more interesting then what she was before. Yes, she was always The Heart to a degree, but I simply found the fact it focused on her attraction to Sonic boring. To me, Frontiers was one of the first games where I actually found Amy likeable.

Edited by king15 on May 29th 2024 at 1:32:21 PM

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#78171: May 29th 2024 at 8:26:25 AM

Everyone arguing about Adventure and Frontiers when the real best Amy was in Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog.

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#78172: May 29th 2024 at 8:28:41 AM

I think they should make Amy canonically colorblind or with poor vision or face blindness, to call to how she occasionally mistook other hedgehogs for Sonic.

Murder had a cute little ShadAmy tease in it, which was a pairing I otherwise had never even thought of.

king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#78173: May 29th 2024 at 8:43:01 AM

[up][up]Valid. To be honest, that game had every character at their best.

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#78174: May 29th 2024 at 8:44:37 AM

Well, being a visual novel it has a slight advantage. The characters have, like, 10 times more dialogue in that game than they do in the platformers.

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#78175: May 29th 2024 at 8:45:09 AM

...And it's a free game, right? I might actually play it.

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