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TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#78051: May 23rd 2024 at 11:28:56 AM

Sonic's kiss with Elise probably wouldn't have become so infamous if it didn't come at the end of one of the worst games of all time. It's the cherry on top of the shit sundae.

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Sid-Starkiller Since: Jan, 2021
#78052: May 23rd 2024 at 11:57:22 AM

Thought experiment piggybacking off [up][up][up]: how would someone rewrite the story, keeping the Iblis/Mephiles/Solaris stuff, while entirely removing Elise?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#78053: May 23rd 2024 at 11:59:12 AM

Fan Fiction.

The entire story revolves around Elise despite her and Sonic's story being the least relevant for plot progression.

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Sid-Starkiller Since: Jan, 2021
#78054: May 23rd 2024 at 12:01:32 PM

...I mean in a literal sense, yes. I was curious if anyone had already thought about it (not being a writer myself).

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#78055: May 23rd 2024 at 12:04:34 PM

I've heard a suggestion of just replacing Elise with Blaze.

TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#78056: May 23rd 2024 at 12:07:45 PM

I already waffled about the Egg Wyvern's death animation but I like how before the fight, Sonic, Elise, and Eggman are in the cockpit, Eggman says he will destroy Sonic with Sonic feet away, and it immediately cuts to them outside the ship with Eggman suddenly having a giant mech. I imagine Sonic was nice enough to take the fight outside and give Eggman time to get his machine ready. Also Eggman falling from the sky in his chair is apparently more survivable than the ship ceash Sonic averted.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on May 23rd 2024 at 3:09:59 PM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#78057: May 23rd 2024 at 12:10:25 PM

Give Blaze more to do...but introduce a new character.

Yo.

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diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#78058: May 23rd 2024 at 12:17:55 PM

Is there a reason given that the "Egg Carrier" crashes, or does it just.. happen? Not counting the ones with AI that go rogue, its not like Eggman for his machines to just... Utterly fail on their own.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#78059: May 23rd 2024 at 12:27:45 PM

Presumably because of what Sonic does to reach it...

But he's just like "Welp, tough luck Eggman"

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TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#78060: May 23rd 2024 at 12:29:51 PM

[up][up] Because potatoes. Side note, but The Retro Replay brought up the point that if Iblis could only be released by Elise crying (and not through death) then technically the crash was a good thing since it killed Eggman and Iblis in one fell swoop.

[up] Nope. Still crashes without his intervention. In fact time traveling to prevent it is an important plot point.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on May 23rd 2024 at 3:31:42 PM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#78061: May 23rd 2024 at 12:37:12 PM

Wouldn't the Iblis trigger's death also release Solaris, or am I misremembering?

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TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#78062: May 23rd 2024 at 12:38:34 PM

[up] No, Sonic's death merely causes Elise to cry. Mephilis put the label on Sonic's head for that exact reason.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#78063: May 23rd 2024 at 12:41:00 PM

Yeah, its more accurate to say Elise is the true Iblis Trigger, as would anyone who bore the Flames of Calamity.

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#78064: May 23rd 2024 at 12:49:15 PM

....Be careful, movie-verse Knuckles. (Maybe? I dunno, I didn't watch Knuckles)

TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#78065: May 23rd 2024 at 12:50:49 PM

[up][up] Say what you will about Elise, but she has balls to not cry after finding out her father died and sealed a world ending demon inside her (Father of the Year folks).

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#78066: May 23rd 2024 at 1:31:11 PM

And despite being a child at the time, she avoided crying at all until she was 17.

Like, who's never cried at all in their lives.

You watch a movie that makes you sad. You lose a family member (which she did), you succumb to stress, you stub your damn toe!

Girl must have feet of steel.....and you know, other things.

Edited by HandsomeRob on May 23rd 2024 at 1:56:54 AM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#78067: May 23rd 2024 at 1:45:00 PM

A princess isn't allowed to do those dope things.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#78068: May 23rd 2024 at 1:56:33 PM

You're joking!

You mean Princesses aren't allowed to lose family members!?

Then Elise has already broken a cardinal rule. No wonder she's so hated.[lol]

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TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#78069: May 23rd 2024 at 2:17:19 PM

Also what kind of sense does her crying breaking the seal make, logically or thematically? It's a completely arbitrary rule.

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Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#78070: May 23rd 2024 at 2:27:32 PM

I feel like if you’re trying to find out the logic of most spells that keep a fire god in check most of them don’t make that much sense.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#78071: May 23rd 2024 at 2:31:07 PM

perhaps the wizard that did it was such a rationalist that he figured that having emotion, in general, be what doomed the world would be the most logical method for keeping the evil fire/time/sun god in check?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#78072: May 23rd 2024 at 2:35:26 PM

They should have made the sealing spell never get shot in the ass on the fifth Sunday of the year.

Make the bitches work for it.

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ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#78073: May 23rd 2024 at 2:40:29 PM

It was just bad writing.

Girl didn't cry her whole life until some blue rat she met all of four hours ago kicks the bucket.

I'd comment on the gender politics of it too but others are probably more qualified.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#78074: May 23rd 2024 at 3:11:09 PM

I'm not sure what her being a girl has to do with that specific aspect of the story.

It doesn't really matter.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#78075: May 23rd 2024 at 3:18:23 PM

it kinda does becuase Elise got the distressed damsel role. a role that is often misogynist via objectification of a woman.

Ironically the other trope commonly criticized in feminist circles happened to a dude this time, but then again it was also undone in about an hour because lol, so that actually doesn't really matter tot hat specific part of the story.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on May 23rd 2024 at 3:19:37 AM


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