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mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
Crimson Helios
#78026: May 22nd 2024 at 10:03:05 PM

[up]x4 Ugh, Tropical Jungle. If you're doing Shadow's campaign it's not too bad (assuming you don't constantly stick to the wall like glue) since Rouge can glide over everything. Silver on the other hand? Hell no. The amount of times I got lost is astronomical. There is a glitch that allows Silver to jump on water, and it's extremely easy to pull off, but you'll find getting to a platform to be next to impossible if you try it. Oh, and if you decide to revisit the level after getting the Shock Bracelet, the water jump glitch will be harder to pull of because you'll need precise timing.

No rain could douse the flames that burn within me!
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#78027: May 22nd 2024 at 11:11:05 PM

I honestly agree on the design thing. Humans are awkward in Sonic because they never make the effort to make them fit in. Eggman is the only human designed like a cartoon character. Even then, 06 mussed that up, too.

TheDarkMantis Shadow Bug from Ocean of Storms Since: Nov, 2017 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Shadow Bug
#78028: May 22nd 2024 at 11:27:06 PM

They backtracked extremely hard starting with Unleashed, where all the humans look like Pixar characters.

"That we continue to persist at all is a testament to our faith in one another."
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#78029: May 23rd 2024 at 1:19:45 AM

It kinda went in the other direction at that point. The Unleashed people look way cartoonier than Eggman and still don't feel natural next to Sonic.

Billy Hatcher people are a closer fit.

ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#78031: May 23rd 2024 at 1:48:26 AM

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LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#78032: May 23rd 2024 at 2:36:08 AM

Noice!

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#78033: May 23rd 2024 at 3:53:52 AM

Go play Project 06 if you want to enjoy the levels, they are great as a rule.

Also, I guess Who Framed Roger Rabbit was bestiality as well then?

Edited by Eriorguez on May 23rd 2024 at 3:54:02 AM

TheDarkMantis Shadow Bug from Ocean of Storms Since: Nov, 2017 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Shadow Bug
#78034: May 23rd 2024 at 4:25:50 AM

The real concern should be with the fact that she kissed his dead body, not the fact that he's a cartoon hedgehog

"That we continue to persist at all is a testament to our faith in one another."
TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#78035: May 23rd 2024 at 4:34:33 AM

And they played the romance angle straight. Which is very out of character for Sonic.

Once Upon A Time.
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#78036: May 23rd 2024 at 4:42:14 AM

[up][up] And even then, this was a Chaos Emerald-amped True Love's Kiss explicitly intended to bring him back (rather than because Elise Loves the Dead), and he was Only Mostly Dead (there's a big difference between "mostly dead" and "all dead") with a limited amount of time to revive him before he died and Solaris ate whatever happened to still be left of time.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
Sid-Starkiller Since: Jan, 2021
#78037: May 23rd 2024 at 5:34:30 AM

...people are defending the kiss...

Perhaps this truly is the worst fanbase in existence...

Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#78038: May 23rd 2024 at 5:50:43 AM

Oh for the love of, it’s not some irredeemable thing that ruins everything it touches. Quit over-reacting

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#78039: May 23rd 2024 at 5:56:41 AM

[up][up] I'll grant that it's still pretty Narmy (especially since Elise is as realistic-looking as a Final Fantasy character, while Sonic remains his usual cartoony self; it's like expecting me to take a scene of a live-action human giving CPR to a Toon seriously despite the Roger Rabbit Effect) and rather out-of-character for the Sonic franchise to do a romance scene like this, but the intense backlash to it (particularly calling it necrophilia and bestiality) is honestly rather embarrassing in retrospect, and I say this as someone who did join in on said backlash back in the day.

Edited by TrashJack on May 23rd 2024 at 11:19:42 AM

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#78040: May 23rd 2024 at 7:41:54 AM

[up][up] The kiss scene is the perfect embodiment of how much they managed to fuck up with the Sonic franchise in 06. Not only is it Squick, the romance plot is a betrayal of Sonic as a character. Sonic is meant to be the antithesis of Mario, yet here he is in Sonic 06 saving a princess he is in love with. Just like the game its in, it completely misses the point of Sonic.

Once Upon A Time.
Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#78041: May 23rd 2024 at 7:48:31 AM

Is he even in love with Elise in 06? The other way’s obvious but he doesn’t treat her that much different than most of the people he’s friends with.

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#78042: May 23rd 2024 at 7:48:34 AM

I honestly don't even think its Squick, its just that its very un-Sonic-like that's the bigger problem.

I agree with the takes in this thread that "bestiality" and "necrophilia" are way overblowing it.

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#78043: May 23rd 2024 at 8:01:14 AM

[up][up] He frolics in a flower field with her. That's closer than he's ever acted with Amy.

It's funny how often he ends up with princesses. Sally, Elise and Blaze could all count.

Personally I ship Sonaze pretty hard. "Holding onto one another's hands to stare in each other's eyes as long as they can as their dimensions pull them apart" was certainly... A moment. That and the whole "Duty bound royal" vs "Carefree chaotic spirit" always makes me feel they'd be good for each other. Big Star-Crossed Lovers potential. [lol]

You are not alone.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#78044: May 23rd 2024 at 8:12:43 AM

"People are defending the kiss?!"

Oh lord.

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#78045: May 23rd 2024 at 8:39:09 AM

Oh joy, shipping discourse.

Almost as fun as Amy's discourse.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#78046: May 23rd 2024 at 8:56:24 AM

Ya'll ain't allowed to judge you're on a Sonic fandom thread in the first place.

You are not alone.
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#78047: May 23rd 2024 at 8:59:55 AM

The kiss scene is just awkward and kinda lame. But the whole story is like that, really. That scene is just the cherry on top.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#78048: May 23rd 2024 at 10:06:59 AM

Like, I've never seen anyone have an issue with Roger Rabbit or like Family Guy.

When it comes to a bad game, you can't work backwards and therefore declare everything about the game is irredeemable, or else you walk yourself into conclusions like saying the game is pro necrophilia. They're doing Sleeping Beauty. That's it.

mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
Crimson Helios
#78049: May 23rd 2024 at 10:29:07 AM

I honestly have to question if the kiss was necessary in the 1st place. Like, sure, having the Chaos Emeralds by themselves revive Sonic would make the comparisons to Dragon Ball even more obvious, but it would've worked much better. It feels like they only put the kiss in because of that old "The prince kisses the princess" thing in fairy tales, except with the roles in reverse this time and Sonic's not a prince, but considering how often he has to save her he might as well be. Though, that does remind me of the 1st episode of Sonic Underground (of all the shows for me to remember) with the Oracle of Delphius referring to Sonic as a prince.

No rain could douse the flames that burn within me!
ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#78050: May 23rd 2024 at 10:59:11 AM

-Looks at the character guide just saying "Silver is like Trunks"-

I don't think they're too worried about the DBZ similarities.

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