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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77326: Feb 24th 2024 at 8:28:21 AM

I'm a bit similar. I know people really want the whole "Eggman's creations as a family" thing, and Sage and Metal Sonic as brother and sister especially, but of all of Eggman's creations Metal is the least likely to actually care about that sort of thing.

Metal hates everything about being with Eggman. The only reason he's loyal is because Eggman heavily reprogrammed him, and even that doesn't always work. I generally imagine any story with Sage and Metal having a family relationship being like that episode of Ren & Stimpy where Stimpy forces Ren to wear a happy helmet against his will so they can have what looks like a better relationship.

I could dig a story where Sage tries to connect with Metal, he plays along to get her to undo his reprogramming, and then he betrays her and Eggman (again), though.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 24th 2024 at 8:31:59 AM

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#77327: Feb 24th 2024 at 9:29:33 AM

I imagine Metal would just roll with whatever Sage tells him to do, since he is programmed to obey her as she is the second in command in the pecking order. Maybe their relationship would be affable, as Sage would love him and treat him nicely, but Metal would just react with confusion about those feelings.

If Metal were to recover his free will, I'm sure he would betray her just like he did with Eggman, but not in a "I'll kill you!", but more like turning her off or taking control of her so HE has a valuable AI confident until eventually he is defeated and everything is back to normal.

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#77328: Feb 24th 2024 at 1:14:57 PM

I think the best characterization of Metal is when the fact he's designed to be Sonic's metal double makes him resentful. It makes him a good Dragon with an Agenda as he has a more personal relationship with the Blue Blur than any other Eggman robot. Him doing The Starscream shouldn't be because he wants to be in control, but because like Bass Eggman can get in the way of his real desire

On that note I want to see him and Omega have more interactions around their Beta Test Baddie status. They both wanna prove themselves but they go about it different ways, which could either be used for a Friendly Enemy status or for them to hate each other especially

Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Feb 24th 2024 at 10:17:47 PM

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#77329: Feb 24th 2024 at 1:58:02 PM

I once brainstormed an OC, who would be a Zeti but would be more of a Gentle Giant who pulls a Heel–Face Turn after being abused one too many times by the rest of the Deadly Six, especially since he can't use machine-controlling powers like them, and to this day he now lives on Sonic's world.

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#77330: Feb 24th 2024 at 2:00:04 PM

I feel like a lot of Metal Sonic's personality confusion would be mitigated if he talked more often.

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#77331: Feb 24th 2024 at 2:17:21 PM

They should take some pointers from Chaos Sonic in Prime - that is, a Metal Sonic analogue who forgoes being silent in favor of being a dark, cruel mirror of Sonic's personality.

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#77332: Feb 24th 2024 at 4:34:08 PM

Or take an example from Shard (well, he's technically Metal Sonic if he turned good), but I meant in terms of giving Metal Sonic a bit more dialogue, while giving him more depth to his character.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77333: Feb 24th 2024 at 4:50:16 PM

[up][up] I've thought they should to that for a while. Even if they don't go as far as make him a personality reflect of Sonic, Metal Sonic should at least be voiced instead of silent all the time, speak with Sonic's voice, and have actual conversations with him.

Last time, he was voiced by Sonic's VA, but the voice was put under so much modification that that was barely noticeable.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 24th 2024 at 4:50:36 AM

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#77334: Feb 24th 2024 at 5:06:02 PM

The Metallixes in Sonic The Comic talk about as much as the Daleks and some of the Archie Sonic Metal Sonics talk.

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#77335: Feb 24th 2024 at 5:51:19 PM

Another aspect of Metal Sonic that I feel is lacking is that intimidation factor. In the Classic games, Metal Sonic looks intimidating with his dark colours, his posture and the way his eyes are drawn as if he's a vicious, soulless killer with hate in his eyes.

These traits are present in Neo Metal Sonic, his Sonic Rivals 2 render and the various comics, but for the most part, modern Metal Sonic seems to focus on being cool rather than intimidating and I feel that this detail might explain why Metal Sonic feels so lacking as a character compared to Sonic's other rivals.

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#77336: Feb 24th 2024 at 9:32:27 PM

I absolutely love that the fandom in general embraces the factoid of Eggman doing his own saxo solo for the Tee Lopes remix of Metallic Madness used in Mania. Between this and his canon portrayal as a DJ in some Sonic CD-era official art, the Doctor's taste in killer music is absolutely canon.

Would not even be surprised if he deliberately timed the machinery operating in his facilities to naturally create an electronic/industrial background music from their working.

Edited by AceOfScarabs on Feb 25th 2024 at 1:34:03 AM

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#77337: Feb 24th 2024 at 9:54:55 PM

I can think of some ways to make the 2006 game way better…at least, for myself.

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#77338: Feb 25th 2024 at 6:19:41 AM

[up][up] What I get from your comment is that there should be a Sonic spin-off that is a rhythm, in which Sonic (an other characters) are running though stages, and the player presses the appropiate buttons in response to the hazards/music (I'm thinking something like Harmoknight).

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#77339: Feb 25th 2024 at 7:11:45 AM

I'd love Metal Sonic to talk but know plenty of people who'd hate it because 'that's not how he's supposed to be' or something.

Edited by kkhohoho on Feb 25th 2024 at 9:12:16 AM

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#77340: Feb 25th 2024 at 7:18:46 AM

I'd like for Metal Sonic to talk just so I can finally understand what the appeal is.

I get why Shadow is so popular. But every time conversation turns to Metal Sonic finally getting his due or whatever, I'm like... Lot of people really love the hollow, personality-free robot shaped like Sonic for some reason. Huh.

Like. I don't dislike Metal Sonic. He just seems surprisingly popular for what amounts to one uncharacterized Badnik.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 25th 2024 at 7:19:47 AM

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#77341: Feb 25th 2024 at 8:39:22 AM

[up] This wasn't a problem in the Classic games because none of the characters talk, but in the modern games where dialogue is used to convey character personality, Metal Sonic ends up restricted due to how most games post-Sonic Heroes portray him as an silent Elite Mook instead of someone who is supposed to be a match for Sonic.

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#77342: Feb 25th 2024 at 9:02:34 AM

Is he supposed to be a match for Sonic?

Again, I see it with Shadow. Shadow feels like he and Sonic are meant to be neck-and-neck in ability, such that it's ambiguous who would truly win if they came to blows. It feels like a lot of Shadow's popularity stems from him being a true rival and equal to Sonic.

But I never got that vibe with Metal. Metal Sonic is a recurring Badnik who tries but gets dunked on every single time he appears. Eggman's best attempt at imitating Sonic, rather than a genuine peer capable of truly matching Sonic.

Which. Y'know. Kinda makes sense. Because if Eggman could mass-produce Sonic-tier machines left and right then he'd be doing that. That Eggman's greatest creations constantly get dunked on by Sonic is the entire basis of this franchise. It'd be story-breaking if Eggman could successfully build Sonics.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 25th 2024 at 9:03:51 AM

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#77343: Feb 25th 2024 at 9:04:36 AM

Funny thing, in the IDW comics that celebrate milestones, Classic Sonic DOES talk.

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#77344: Feb 25th 2024 at 9:04:38 AM

Now I kinda want a boss rush of all the Sonic mechs Eggman created.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77345: Feb 25th 2024 at 9:08:41 AM

[up] Lego Sonic does that.

Is he supposed to be a match for Sonic?

Generally, yes. Metal Sonic is typically depicted as a match for Sonic in speed and general ability, while being smarter than Eggman's other creations, requiring Sonic to pull out his A-game to fight.

He's basically in that exact threat range that of "makes for a very good Dragon."

As for why people like him, it's more or less why people like characters like Bass or Proto-Man. While people would like for him to speak, he doesn't need to speak for people to nevertheless like the whole "treacherous Evil Counterpart created by the villain" vibe.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 25th 2024 at 9:10:01 AM

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#77346: Feb 25th 2024 at 9:10:02 AM

Proto-Man isn't a bad guy, nor was he created by Doctor Wily.

Fun fact, but Bass and Metal Sonic do work well together in the comic cross over.

As for Metal Sonic's power, well....... he's strong enough to at least make a good partner for Shadow in Sonic Rivals 2.

That was actually some good spotlight on him, even if he was a speaker for Eggman.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 26th 2024 at 1:11:12 AM

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#77347: Feb 25th 2024 at 11:30:35 AM

I think him being the silent type is appealing. The Silent Snarker is a trope for a reason, and I enjoyed how he was potrayed in Rise of the Wisps.

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#77348: Feb 25th 2024 at 2:31:23 PM

Its cliche for robot characters I know, but I wouldn't mind Metal speaking an electronic language that Orbot, Cubot, Sage (& occasionally Eggman) understand, but that is incomprehensible to the audience and pretty much all the heroes. Gives him a bit more range while still keeping him novel in some respects.

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#77349: Feb 25th 2024 at 4:10:06 PM

I always pictured Metal Sonic's voice sounding like the Dalek's voice. Metal Sonic can exceed Sonic's speed for a time using his jet engine but it causes it to overheat so he can't maintain it for long.

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#77350: Feb 25th 2024 at 4:11:12 PM

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