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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#77301: Feb 21st 2024 at 11:57:12 AM

And it had a playable Shadow, yeah.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#77302: Feb 21st 2024 at 1:20:50 PM

Ian Flynn clarified his own intentions with Sage post-Frontiers; while Sega may do something different with her down the line, his intention is that, while she respects Sonic and understands his bonds of friendship and even envies it, Sonic and co. are still the enemy, she's 100% loyal to Eggman, and she won't hesitate to put them down because they are the enemy and she fight for Eggman quite gleefully.

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#77303: Feb 21st 2024 at 1:28:48 PM

I honestly would be interested in seeing a reformed Eggman, but the DLC made it very clear what his intentions are and what Sage thinks of them.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77304: Feb 21st 2024 at 2:09:31 PM

That’s what I figured they would do: she’s basically Eggman’s new Dragon, and while she’s a Friendly Enemy she’s still an enemy.

I guess he had to clarify that because a lot of people were assuming she would be Eggman’s Token Good Teammate?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 21st 2024 at 2:09:41 AM

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#77305: Feb 21st 2024 at 2:24:22 PM

It's not hard to assume that's the case, as she is not particulary malicious.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#77306: Feb 21st 2024 at 2:34:58 PM

Yeah, and she went from red and black colors to blue and white colors when thinking about love and happy things.

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#77307: Feb 21st 2024 at 2:40:15 PM

[up][up] She’s not malicious, but she is consistently hostile on Eggman’s behalf (she’s the one controlling all the enemies and bosses until the finale). She only stops once it becomes evident fighting each other instead of the bigger threat isn’t in Eggman’s best interest any more.

I think it has more to do with [up] that: that audiences generally aren’t used to evil characters who are capable of things like love and positive relationships, and tend to figure a character showing those things is a sign they’re going to turn good.

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#77308: Feb 21st 2024 at 2:40:45 PM

Ian Flynn clarified his own intentions with Sage post-Frontiers; while Sega may do something different with her down the line, his intention is that, while she respects Sonic and understands his bonds of friendship and even envies it, Sonic and co. are still the enemy, she's 100% loyal to Eggman, and she won't hesitate to put them down because they are the enemy and she fight for Eggman quite gleefully.

I had feeling that might be case, I had the same idea too after I played Frontiers and had an idea of a potential boss encounter with her. She's a friendly enemy who has entertaining boss banter with Sonic, they find each other as worthy opponents, Sonic has fun and goes to stop Eggman after taking her down, no ill will against her, just her dad.

Edited by taotruths on Feb 21st 2024 at 2:42:08 AM

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#77309: Feb 21st 2024 at 2:53:42 PM

Friendly enemy is exactly what I was hoping for from her. Sonic has more than enough nemesis-turned-besties, but Eggman's had a vacancy for interesting and engaging minions for... basically ever? Like. They were trying to make Orbot and Cubot happen for a while. But Geometric Team Rocket just wasn't landing.

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#77310: Feb 21st 2024 at 3:15:32 PM

Probably because both of them are a Flat Character duo who exist solely to provide humor, and lack any depth beyond that.

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#77311: Feb 21st 2024 at 3:17:02 PM

It does seem that way which is the only logical thing that comes to my mind.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77312: Feb 21st 2024 at 3:25:34 PM

I wouldn’t say that. Being geared more for humor doesn’t mean a character is incapable of depth or popularity. Those things come more from characters being used, and the big difference with Sage is that she actually got to do things, emote, and generally interact with other characters outside of Eggman, whereas Orbot and Cubot are emphatically Satellite Characters to Eggman and barely do anything that isn’t riffing on Eggman’s lines or grousing about Eggman’s behavior.

Sonic Boom, which did things like give them their own episode and such, generally got better use out of them iirc.

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#77314: Feb 21st 2024 at 8:00:18 PM

Though honestly, now with Sage in the mix, this could liven up Orbot and Cubot's dynamic a bit.

Really, I'm just interested to see her spend time with Metal Sonic. Like, will she treat him respectfully out of seeing him as a reflection of the real Sonic, which would annoy him?

Would she see him as his own person, and support him to be better than Sonic on his own merits?

Or would he be cautious around him, citing the memory logs of the Metal Overlord incident as a reason to keep him from getting too strong.

There's a lot of angles you can tackle their relationship that would all make sense from where Sage's character has gone already.

Personally, I'd like to see the second option happen.

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#77316: Feb 22nd 2024 at 6:23:05 AM

Maybe Sage would suggest giving him his voice back.

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#77317: Feb 23rd 2024 at 11:44:29 PM

I definitely would love to see Sage's interactions with Metal Sonic!

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#77318: Feb 24th 2024 at 4:04:02 AM

Go finish Murder of Sonic then, you'll like one of the final scenes.

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#77319: Feb 24th 2024 at 5:31:09 AM

I'll be honest, any time I write fun Sonic stuff, instead of Orbot and Cubot, I use Scratch and Grounder, irrespective of the Robotnik I use. Hard for me to beat some of the classic bumbling villainous goons.

Sage will make for a nice contrast, for certain.

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#77320: Feb 24th 2024 at 6:35:03 AM

Now that I think about it, perhaps Sage could either fuse with Metal Sonic to make him stronger or the two engage in a Fusion Dance that makes use of both their powers, and melds their personalities into a single volatile package.

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#77321: Feb 24th 2024 at 6:41:15 AM

I don't think Sage will like Metal Sonic. Isn't he one of the crisis she brings up when she tells Eggman that the best way to escape from Cyberspace would be an alliance with Sonic? So she knows Metal Sonic tried to hurt her "dad."

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#77322: Feb 24th 2024 at 7:26:54 AM

I know people like their wholesome Egg-Family stuff, but I'm hoping that Sage will instead take Metal Sonic's role entirely so he can go back to doing his own thing.

I never really bought Metal Sonic as anything more than an extension of Eggman's ego, and so I'm waiting for them to let him strike out on his own again.

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#77323: Feb 24th 2024 at 7:49:53 AM

Metal Sonic's role?

You want her to barely appear...only to get rag-dolled as an elite mook?

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#77324: Feb 24th 2024 at 8:02:03 AM

One idea I had was Neo Metal Sonic transforming into liquid metal so he could fuse with Mecha Sonic into a being called Neo Mecha Sonic or Mecha Neo Metal Sonic or Mectal or Metcha.

Edited by neoamon on Feb 24th 2024 at 4:03:04 PM

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#77325: Feb 24th 2024 at 8:22:01 AM

I mostly imagine that Metal just finds her kind of annoying, the same way he is annoyed at Orbot.

But it's hard to get a read on that robot.

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