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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#77227: Feb 7th 2024 at 6:52:00 AM

In response to Devil Doom:

Not only does he leave the Chaos Emeralds behind when teleporting and (off-screen) transforming into Devil Doom, but during the battle he also directly says stuff like "how is it you're possibly able to injure me?!" and "I see, it seems I underestimated the power of the Chaos Emeralds" - both of which are statements that do not make sense if they're both using the same power source in the fight.

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#77228: Feb 7th 2024 at 6:59:37 AM

Then its a retcon. They've been known to happen.

Edited by diddyknux on Feb 7th 2024 at 9:00:17 AM

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#77229: Feb 7th 2024 at 7:01:08 AM

It still opens the question on why he didn't transform during his other boss fights if he had such a powerful transformation inside him? There is not even an in-game reason.

Besides, it wouldn't be the first time super form is able to injure another super form: Perfect Chaos, Ultimate Emerl, Solaris(?).

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#77230: Feb 7th 2024 at 7:14:20 AM

[up][up] No, it's a case where the the guy making statements is directly wrong about the source material.

A retcon would need for later source material to change the events of the original in order for it to actually be a retcon.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#77231: Feb 7th 2024 at 7:52:07 AM

Perfect Chaos and Super Sonic are using the same power source...

What about Doom's reaction prevents him from have having used the Emeralds?

—-

I'm just seeing poor conveyance in the cutscene.

Edited by randomness4 on Feb 7th 2024 at 10:52:54 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77232: Feb 7th 2024 at 7:58:13 AM

[up][up] Not when the guy making the statements is effectively Word of God.

And I have to ask again, are people really so attached to those two lines of dialogue that it’s a really big deal?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 7th 2024 at 7:58:42 AM

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#77233: Feb 7th 2024 at 8:01:37 AM

Eh, Word of Saint Paul in this case. Remember he is not related to the game, he was told it was the case.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77234: Feb 7th 2024 at 8:03:19 AM

That depends on whether Flynn is currently working on media that might include Black Doom. Is he involved in Sonic X Shadow?

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#77235: Feb 7th 2024 at 8:07:46 AM

@Tomodachi pride is most likely answer.

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#77236: Feb 7th 2024 at 8:17:50 AM

[up][up] It appears to be the case, but who knows. He likely will write the cartoon that will come out with the game.

[up] Villain Ball? Well, could be, but still.

Edited by Tomodachi on Feb 7th 2024 at 8:18:37 AM

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#77237: Feb 7th 2024 at 9:07:30 AM

A cartoon for Generations...?

But about Shadow, this could be worse.

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#77238: Feb 7th 2024 at 10:26:26 AM

I could see an animated prologue like Frontiers Divergence or tie-in comic (or both) for Shadow Generations.

Like how he refuses to go to Sonic's party out of pride or he's in the middle of investigating the black arms when it happens.

Edited by taotruths on Feb 7th 2024 at 10:27:09 AM

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#77239: Feb 7th 2024 at 12:05:51 PM

I could see Black Doom mentioning some of the aliens that have appeared since The Shadow The Hedgehog game came out.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#77240: Feb 7th 2024 at 12:17:09 PM

My guess is that Black Doom can only use the Devil Doom form while connected to the Black Comet...which doesn't explain his fight in Final Haunt but at least explains the other two cleanly.

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#77241: Feb 7th 2024 at 2:00:26 PM

wild mass guessI think they could reveal that the starfish is Doom's horcrux of sorts and when his main body died his mind fled into the starfish and got out of dodge. There's also the fact that if the Black Arms can invade without the comet actually being on the planet, that could leave the ones that had already landing unaccounted for

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77242: Feb 7th 2024 at 4:13:16 PM

This isn't Sonic in itself, but I thought it was important to post because it's relevant to the conversation we were having a bit ago about game mechanics, especially having a multiplayer 3D racing game with on-foot Sonic-style gameplay.

I'm only just hearing about it, but it looks like an indie game that's essentially utilizing a mix of Boost-era and Adventure gameplay - basically looking like it wants to be the Modern / Adventure-era's Freedom Planet - with a few other game nods mixed in.

And they're trying to expand the multiplayer style Adventure 2 had, which I'll be really interested to see develop.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 7th 2024 at 4:13:29 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#77243: Feb 7th 2024 at 4:17:41 PM

This is made by the Fan Devs who made Sonic GT...

Their own style is front and center here.

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#77244: Feb 7th 2024 at 4:25:55 PM

The GT developer. My mind is blurry, but I remember Twitter disliking him for something beyond Classic fanboyism.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#77245: Feb 7th 2024 at 4:39:40 PM

No...

That's not the same "guy".

That guy made Sonic Utopia.

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#77246: Feb 7th 2024 at 5:22:27 PM

Oh right, right, thanks for reminding me.

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#77247: Feb 8th 2024 at 4:32:18 AM

[up] x 16: Perfect Chaos was explicitly shown using the Chaos Emeralds, and explicitly stated to be using them, and is making no statements to the contrary. In contrast, Black Doom isn't explicitly shown using them, makes no mention of using them, and expresses surprise at how powerful they are (since, as a reminder, he only wanted them as a means to teleport the Black Comet into Earth).

[up] x 15: even ignoring that I am someone who doesn't go by Word of God, a Word of God statement shouldn't take priority over the actual in-media information if the two contradict.

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#77248: Feb 8th 2024 at 4:55:00 AM

[up]That's too many arrows. Use quoteblocks, or link back to the other post, or something.

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#77249: Feb 8th 2024 at 6:45:12 AM

A lot of Flynn statements are usually impactful on stuff he's writing in IDW, but he's not even allowed to use Black Doom there, so this will never come up in anything.

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#77250: Feb 8th 2024 at 6:50:26 AM

Well, this wasn't a Bumblekast, but the Encyclospedia thing. I think, I cannot confirm this, when asked about it on the podcast he said that was what Sonic Team said about it.

And besides, the guy will possibly maybe work on the Sonic X Shadow thing so maybe he knows something we don't.

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