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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#77201: Feb 4th 2024 at 3:43:16 PM

I'm amazed the game looks as incredible as it does for a Saturn release, considering it was made in just over a year. Travelers Tales were fucking programming wizards in the 16 and 32 bit eras.

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#77202: Feb 4th 2024 at 4:58:28 PM

Took until recently to replicate an effect on Radiant Emerald from the Saturn release onto the PC.

(Remember that Sega PC line of ports?)

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#77203: Feb 4th 2024 at 5:20:27 PM

I think they should make another Sonic R, I think the ideal Sonic racing game would be one where all the characters compete in whatever way is most comfortable for them. Sonic runs, Shadow hover-skates, Eggman flies in his Eggmobile, Jet rides his hover-board, Rouge drives a car, Silver flies with telekinesis, etc.

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#77204: Feb 4th 2024 at 6:58:35 PM

I'm quite sure that's Forces: Speed Battle.

Except for some reason Silver runs rather than fly.

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magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#77205: Feb 4th 2024 at 7:32:26 PM

https://www.ign.com/articles/sonic-the-hedgehog-3-adds-krysten-ritter-cristo-fernndez-alyla-browne-and-more

We have a good idea who’s going to be Maria.

Alyla Browne…who looks like a spitting image of her.

Monsund Since: Jan, 2001
#77206: Feb 5th 2024 at 5:42:15 PM

Basically. The only other time I can recall that we got an on-foot racing game for Sonic was the multiplayer mode in Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, and looking that I always figured there was a good reason they usually just go with vehicles: the same mechanics that make Sonic's on-foot mechanics feel so good when done right also aren't great for competitive racing - making things too snowbally and hard to balance even when you're just doing it casually, and requiring levels ot be kind of... straightforward.

Actually there is also the Sonic Rivals and there's tons of games with multiplayer racing modes.

There are racing multiplayer modes in:

Also the Sonic Riders games, bar Kinect, allowed Sonic to race on foot, albeit he had to use special skate shoes instead of his normal ones. But he's still running off his own leg power.

Sonic can lose to Rouge in Rivals 2, I'm pretty sure that she, Knuckles, and Silver would all struggle.

Remember Rivals is "anything goes" Wacky Racing with various attacking and boost items such as the ability to shoot glue at the opponents legs, as well as short cuts for flying characters to use that Sonic cannot access.

Thats how Rouge and Silver beat Sonic.

I think they should make another Sonic R, I think the ideal Sonic racing game would be one where all the characters compete in whatever way is most comfortable for them. Sonic runs, Shadow hover-skates, Eggman flies in his Eggmobile, Jet rides his hover-board, Rouge drives a car, Silver flies with telekinesis, etc.

I agree with that, the closest we have had is the first two Sonic Riders games as mentioned above.

I think Rouge would prefer something with which she could fly with own wings then a car, though.

Also people also forget that if Sonic really wants to limit himself, various games, including the infamous Sonic Labyrinth, show Sonic can wear shoes to slow down.

Edited by Monsund on Feb 5th 2024 at 5:43:06 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77207: Feb 5th 2024 at 5:47:52 PM

[up] Those are all 2D runs through levels, and all of the games with multiplayer modes are likewise not designed like racing games, involving characters with little to no differences or uniqueness to them.

None of them are much like Sonic R.

2D racing games aren't especially popular (the only popular one I can think of in the last few years is Speedrunners, which was built to be cheap and simple), mostly because they tend to be fairly limited in what the players can see and do.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 5th 2024 at 5:54:36 AM

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#77208: Feb 5th 2024 at 6:21:33 PM

Sonic Adventure 2 and Heroes just use the characters...

They all have different stats.

In Adventure 2 Metal Sonic has black shield and no special moves.

Amy can't spin dash but gets her special moves faster via lower ring count, also she doesn't have chaos control...so her time stop doesn't stop the player from moving, just freezes their control.

Also every character has an alternate costume with different stats and changes their special moves property and condition.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77209: Feb 5th 2024 at 7:30:16 PM

I mentioned Adventure 2 in the quoted post.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 5th 2024 at 7:30:39 AM

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#77210: Feb 5th 2024 at 8:38:39 PM

About Sonic X Shadow Generations, do you think Black Doom will have a speaking role in Shadow's campaign, and if so, will they have Sean Schemmel returning to do his English voice?

My guess is that Black Doom won't have a speaking role in Shadow's campaign.

Also, I hope Sonic X Shadow Generations will be a better port than Sonic Colors Ultimate.

Edited by IvanovTroping97 on Feb 5th 2024 at 7:39:36 PM

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#77211: Feb 5th 2024 at 8:47:36 PM

If they do have Black Doom speaking, they might do the option of getting a soundalike VA, given that they tend to replace the whole vocal cast on a somewhat regular basis, outside of ones like Roger Craig Smith for Sonic and Mike Pollock for Eggman.

And I have cautious optimism for it being a good launch as it has Sonic Team developing it, indicating it's in-house this time, instead of farming it out to a different developer.

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#77212: Feb 6th 2024 at 12:09:38 AM

I'm sad I never had the chance to try the old Sonic popcorn machines.

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Monsund Since: Jan, 2001
#77213: Feb 6th 2024 at 12:13:18 AM

Sonic Adventure 2 and Heroes just use the characters...

They all have different stats.

In Adventure 2 Metal Sonic has black shield and no special moves.

Amy can't spin dash but gets her special moves faster via lower ring count, also she doesn't have chaos control...so her time stop doesn't stop the player from moving, just freezes their control.

Also every character has an alternate costume with different stats and changes their special moves property and condition.

I believe Metal is faster and jumps higher than Sonic/Shadow, whilst Amy is slower and jumps the lowest, though Amy makes up for it with her easy specials.

Also in the Rivals games characters had entirely different abilities, I don't remember if they had different stats.

Sonic 3's racing mode had an entirely separate engine with different stats for the characters; Sonic, tails and Knuckles all have different running speeds in racing mode when they have the same speed in the main game.

I think in Speed Battle everyone has separate stats too.

Also on another note, did anyone ever hear about the weird interview where the developer said Eggman Nega was still from another dimension in Rivals? Here it is.

I have included SEGA’s response: “Although there may have been some differences in the story setting for both Sonic Rivals 1 and Sonic Rush, Eggman-Nega is same character. He comes from another dimension, and the reference of time was to place the mystery of the cards in context with the story. We really hadn’t effectively changed where Eggman-Nega comes from, just added another dimension if you like to the overall storyline.”

Personally I just ignore the whole thing.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77214: Feb 6th 2024 at 12:19:16 AM

... maybe? I hope so, but all we see in the trailer is gameplay from bosses or stages, so there might not be any cutscenes. And if there's not, they might also save as much money as they can by having the boss fights without any spoken dialogue - just grunts and stuff.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 6th 2024 at 12:19:26 PM

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#77215: Feb 6th 2024 at 1:37:11 AM

I'm sad I never had the chance to try the old Sonic popcorn machines.

No idea what the quality of the popcorn itself was but still kinda enjoy that those machines existed and that Eggman really didn't want you getting snacks

I know Mania references it tho

Are explosions science?
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#77216: Feb 6th 2024 at 2:15:01 AM

Yeah, the Studiopolis popcorn machine :D

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#77217: Feb 6th 2024 at 3:18:54 AM

I want popcorn now.

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#77218: Feb 6th 2024 at 11:09:50 AM

Appearently some people are conflicted with one of Flynn statements

Black Doom transforming into Devil Doom thanks to the Chaos Emeralds

They think it contradicts the game, where Doom never used them on-screen to transform

Personally, I'm inclined to agree with Flynn. If Doom had this powerful transformation all this time, why did he go out like a chump in all the other endings?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#77219: Feb 6th 2024 at 12:09:32 PM

Also, even if it is a contradiction, if there's anyone in a position to retcon such a minor plot point its Ian Flynn.

I've never played Shadow, but are people really attached to the idea that Black Doom doesn't use the Chaos Emeralds for some reason?

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 6th 2024 at 12:10:26 PM

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#77220: Feb 6th 2024 at 12:12:19 PM

Didn't the entire game revolve around the collecting of the emeralds, then at the end Black Doom uses them to, teleport the Comet to be slightly closer to Earth?

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#77221: Feb 6th 2024 at 12:24:32 PM

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#77222: Feb 6th 2024 at 12:41:08 PM

[up][up]yes, black doom's plot is to teleport the black comet on earth to eat humanity but he just teleported then became devil doom with the chaos emeralds left with shadow.

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#77223: Feb 6th 2024 at 2:41:11 PM

@neoamon: Gotta check that video out myself. But it mentions Stay Sonic in the thumbnail and as it happens, we actually have apage on it. So we got a head start.

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#77224: Feb 6th 2024 at 5:19:22 PM

Heard a remix of the boss theme from Sonic 3 and Knuckles in a Youtube video, and it made me realize how long its been since I've replayed Sonic 3 and Knuckles.

Then I remembered that the last time I did play it, I'd lost my touch at completing all the Special Stages and rage quit. Sonic 3 I got through its seven just fine. But something about & Knuckles just wasn't clicking that playthrough. Doesn't help that I've never bothered to remember the optimal route to get the Emeralds as early as possible and Knuckles, which I have in 3.

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#77225: Feb 6th 2024 at 11:39:56 PM

Oh baby, according to Johnny Gioeli (Crush 40 vocalist) in response to a query from Tails Channel, Paramount did secure the rights to use Live and Learn in Movie 3.

That said, Crush 40 isn’t directly involved in the production of said film.

God I hope it does play during the battle and not just as a credits or opening theme.

Edited by taotruths on Feb 6th 2024 at 11:42:28 AM


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