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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#77126: Feb 1st 2024 at 12:26:56 PM

[up][up] That's from the Japanese script only.

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#77127: Feb 1st 2024 at 1:13:06 PM

Yeah but it is still something of a miscomunication. Did SOA told him that, or SOJ?

I learned SOJ is very fond of 06 compared with SOA, who are prone to making fun of it.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#77128: Feb 1st 2024 at 1:22:44 PM

Self-deprecating humor reaches a point where it is overrated. I know I've gotten more enjoyment out of Project 06 that out of the entire boost formula.

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#77129: Feb 1st 2024 at 1:35:06 PM

Part of it is that for the West 06's notorious release came out at such a bad time, that its basically enshrined it in the popular gaming culture as an ET like massive failure. Neither are in fact the worst games ever by any stretch, but 06's near memetic status as a disaster for the franchise likely had SOA (and especially the social media teams) feeling like the only thing they could do was be self-deprecating about it.

Moreover, while the game itself has had some rehabilitation for its ambitions within hardcore and/or younger gaming circles, it's still just seen as that one really awful Sonic game by casuals/non-fans. Even the merits of Project 06 and how it might demonstrate the real potential of the title are things that rarely go beyond the fandom itself.

Edited by BorneAgain on Feb 1st 2024 at 4:41:12 AM

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#77130: Feb 1st 2024 at 1:38:09 PM

Tbh I actually think a story actually exploring shadows relationship with his Archnemesis Dad could be kinda interesting. Like actually seeing the two interact would be nice.

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#77131: Feb 1st 2024 at 3:22:30 PM

[up][up]sonic 06 is special in the gaming community as it was a failure of a name brand series and not a one off so both fans and non-fans look at it as some gauge of a bad game even though other games as of now can easily take the crown.

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#77132: Feb 1st 2024 at 4:27:36 PM

[up]Time has shifted the perception of 06 a bit from "irredeemably bad" to "absolutely awful, but it did admittedly have a couple of good points regardless of the overall package", at least among the base.

Hasn't moved an inch for non-fans, though.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#77133: Feb 1st 2024 at 4:47:03 PM

Between becoming familiar with Superman 64 and Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing around 2005, and Spyro: Enter the Dragonfly preceding Sonic 06 by a few years and being FAR more guilty of the issues that 06 has yet not having a comparable reputation, I just feel like 06's reputation was throughly overblown. The only difference was that it was a Game Cube/X Box underbaked platformer doing that on the 360 and PS 3.

The fandom was up in arms a year before with the Shadow game, and not for the tired memes of today. Hell, in mid-2005, the fandom was convinced that Heroes was the nadir of the franchise, that anybody who liked it was trolling, and that Adventure 3 would solve stuff.

And hell, Adventure 2's review scores in Game Spot, comparing the DC and GC version, with SIX MONTHS of difference, are weird as hell.

But yeah, the mid-00s were quite toxic in general.

BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#77134: Feb 1st 2024 at 4:56:16 PM

It's that whole thing of infamy spreading so far and so quick that the original context is not only lost, but the actual piece of media isn't even experienced after a point because people simply know it's awful. What it embodies becomes more important than the product itself.

It's the same with the Atari ET game. In the grand scheme and when actually played, it's not a completely awful release; terribly unintuitive and a waste of license sure, but the era pumped out worse. It just so happened to be the game that broke the camel's back when it came to Atari flooding the market with too much product in general that it became infamous as being emblematic of that company's mistakes. Same with 06 being seen as symbolic of already existing issues within the franchise and a culmination of the IP being mishandled.

Whether that's an accurate assessment is secondary to it being very easily accepted and spread within an internet age that was always looking for attractive narratives and punching bags.

Edited by BorneAgain on Feb 1st 2024 at 7:58:35 AM

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#77136: Feb 1st 2024 at 5:38:50 PM

I just hope that Shadow's gonna be more than just a reskin with slight differences. I believe I saw him using Chaos Control, let us utilize all his chaos powers. Just make sure they're actually functional this time.

Didn't the website blurb say "using all of Shadows powers to prove he's the Ultimate Lifeform" or something like that?

magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#77137: Feb 1st 2024 at 6:32:37 PM

One of 06’s redeeming traits being Shadow’s writing being some of the best he’s ever had.

There’s a reason why people keep talking about wanting 06 Shadow back.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#77138: Feb 1st 2024 at 6:35:20 PM

Isn't Mephiles Sonic's arch-enemy given how his whole plot was 'kill Sonic'?

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#77140: Feb 1st 2024 at 7:09:52 PM

Yeah, all Mephiles really needed from Sonic was to have him die so Elise can cry and unleash Iblis. Otherwise they have about as much of a personal connection as one does to a fly.

Edited by TheDarkMantis on Feb 1st 2024 at 3:10:25 PM

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#77141: Feb 1st 2024 at 7:17:00 PM

Sonic and Mephiles never interact...

You can't be an arch-nemesis if the main character doesn't even know you exist.

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#77142: Feb 1st 2024 at 7:29:21 PM

Sonic does very slightly know that Mephiles exists. After Crisis City, Sonic Tails and Knuckles manage to peek on Mephiles sending Silver and Blaze to the past.

But they have no context for who he is, just noting that he looks like Shadow. And... Yeah. I think that's the only time Sonic is even slightly aware of Mephiles.

Edited by diddyknux on Feb 1st 2024 at 9:29:38 AM

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#77143: Feb 1st 2024 at 7:32:14 PM

Imagine Doom giving stage advice. SHADOW THIS PLANT IS FULL OF CHEMICALS. PERHAPS A PLANT OF TOXIC CHEMICALS. IT MIGHT BE OF USE TO ME IN THE FUTURE...

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#77144: Feb 1st 2024 at 7:33:58 PM

Sonic Unleashed status.

Eggmanland is hard. Fucking hard. Eggman may be a loser in the long run, but this level it's possibly the only time in the series he ever threatened the player due to how fucking difficult this place is. I lost 20 (plus a lot of in-level lives) in this place and got a game over.

Jesus Christ.

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#77145: Feb 1st 2024 at 7:34:53 PM

You're not kidding! I remember dying a lot in that level and finding it super hard back then.

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#77146: Feb 1st 2024 at 7:37:59 PM

Its the fucking gauntlet, for sure.

Ooon the other hand, on the Wii version you have five Acts of Werehog. FIVE. I like the Werehog, but even for me, that's too much at one time.

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#77148: Feb 1st 2024 at 8:25:45 PM

Believe me, you think Eggmanland itself is hard? Would you believe me if I told there it has Hot Dog missions? Yeah, even for a huge HD Unleashed fan like myself, I would never go through that. Eggmanland is already possibly the hardest part of any Sonic game before pre patch TFH, imagine having to go through all of that without dying. Multiple times.

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#77149: Feb 2nd 2024 at 12:37:25 AM

Really, the S rank and Hot Dog missions are overly generous on purpose, to the extent that really the only issue is just beating the stage without dying.

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#77150: Feb 2nd 2024 at 5:04:10 AM

[up][up]What does "TFH" mean in that context? I can't find any internet slang definition for it.

EDIT: Never mind, it's The Final Horizon.

Edited by BonsaiForest on Feb 2nd 2024 at 8:04:42 AM


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