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#76851: Jan 15th 2024 at 12:05:04 PM

Probably because the fandom sees him as, like, the Kevin Feige of Sonic the Hedgehog. Like, they think he's the guy that all Sonic canon now flows through.

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#76852: Jan 15th 2024 at 12:12:05 PM

And the thing about that is that at the end of the day, SEGA is the one making most of the decisions regarding the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise. So if the fans really want to know about everything going on with the Sonic the Hedgehog brand, just ask SEGA or in the case of Sonic Prime, why not ask the creators of Sonic Prime what's going on with the show?

Edited by Rabbitearsblog on Jan 15th 2024 at 12:12:55 PM

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#76853: Jan 15th 2024 at 1:23:25 PM

[up][up] Even though his output before Frontiers were comic books that SEGA ignores when it comes to game stories.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Jan 15th 2024 at 1:23:40 AM

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#76854: Jan 15th 2024 at 1:41:45 PM

I mean Ian literally said that he'd mention when it took place in the timeline after season 3 dropped, he set up that expectation to answer himself when he could've easily just said "idk, stop asking please" a whole season or two ago and be done with it.

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#76855: Jan 15th 2024 at 1:48:36 PM

That makes me wodner if SEGA claimed Prime's canaocity as well. If so, Ian's statement could be a response to that.

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#76856: Jan 15th 2024 at 2:50:23 PM

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#76857: Jan 15th 2024 at 2:51:45 PM

Fandoms nowadays are getting increasingly used to series and franchises having like, a single guy who is the lore and development master, can answer or field any questions about the development of the franchise, and is there to interface with fans in whatever questions.

Some franchises have people who specifically position themselves to do them, either because they're the big creator or showrunner of the franchise like Alex Hirsch or Kevin Feige, or because of the people running the show they're the most skilled at interfacing with fans like Frank Angones was with Ducktales.

Once Flynn became one of the bigger creative names in the whole Franchise, rather than being strictly attached the comics, fans have been clamoring to see him as that person for the Sonic franchise, but Flynn has only really done that sort of thing here and there and has maintained he can only do it to a point.

He has the Bumblekast (wherein he, to be honest, mostly just answers things in a "given what I know, it's my opinion that X or Y would happen" sort of way), but he's made it clear since Fontiers was in dev that he's only involved in the specific things he's involved in, doesn't have insight into what Sonic Team is thinking and doing, and isn't in charge of other adaptations.

Prime in particular has had a history of some people involved saying this or that, fans taking those comments to the complete extreme, and then assuming everyone else is on the same page as them. Flynn's been repeatedly asked to validate the fan interpretation of comments that even the people who actually made those comments have been fairly mum in elaborating on, and he's clearly not interested in that rabbit hole.

I mean Ian literally said that he'd mention when it took place in the timeline after season 3 dropped, he set up that expectation to answer himself when he could've easily just said "idk, stop asking please" a whole season or two ago and be done with it.

Did he specifically say "I know where it fits, and I'll tell you all later," or were people incessantly asking him about it a year ago too and did he just deflect with "I can't answer questions like that until the show is over?"

Because the latter seems more likely.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 15th 2024 at 2:59:04 AM

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#76858: Jan 15th 2024 at 6:24:59 PM

My view is that all Sonic media exists in the same multiverse just in different universes.

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#76859: Jan 15th 2024 at 7:11:32 PM

iirc: "I can't answer questions like that until the show is over", but he says it's due to the big spoiler of Season 3, making it clear he knew what was going to happen.

And even just saying that instead of "hey please stop asking me this I was only a consultant" upfront is a much better way of handling that pressure than going "I'll answer when the show's over".

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#76860: Jan 17th 2024 at 10:55:46 AM

I watched season 3. I was disappointed in it for one core reason that has to do with what the entire season is about.

Without spoiling anything, let's just say that it mostly felt like one long episode instead of seven episodes. I actually liked the finale, but not the rest of it.

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#76861: Jan 17th 2024 at 10:56:21 AM

[up]Yeah, that seems to be something of a common complaint.

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#76862: Jan 17th 2024 at 12:20:40 PM

[up][up][up] A couple things to that:

He did know what was going to happen in the show itself, regarding the big twists and spoilers. He’s a consultant on the show.

When a show is running and the NDA is running, “I can’t answer these until the show is over”is the best answer. It’s better than “yes”, “no” or even “I don’t know,” because they’re questions you can’t field at all, period.

And he’s been saying “I’m don’t have the knowledge of how everything fits together in between series and media” for years. He didn’t start just now. He’s been having to tell people that at least since Frontiers was released.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 17th 2024 at 12:40:04 PM

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#76863: Jan 17th 2024 at 12:32:42 PM

I don't think that anyone knows everything about the Franchise. It would require playing all the games, watching all the cartoons, reading all the comics and books. Some of which were released only in certain countries. Such as the UK gamebooks, comics and novels including "Sonic the Hedgehog and the Silicon Warriors". The mangas released only in Japan including "Sonic the Hedgehog Story Comic" Manga (1991). Not to mention that some of the medias haven't been republished.

Edited by neoamon on Jan 17th 2024 at 8:35:21 PM

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#76864: Jan 17th 2024 at 6:49:13 PM

And the guy is constantly writing for Sonic, other licenced work and his own shit, and we know the amount of errors he made in that Encyclospeedia.

Guy is human and can't know everything.

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#76865: Jan 18th 2024 at 3:12:43 PM

This all leads me to believe that they should hire more writers that can do something like Flynn can, so that he can finally get a break.

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#76866: Jan 18th 2024 at 3:19:05 PM

Easier said than done. Can't always mix nerd passion with genuine skill. [lol]

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#76867: Jan 18th 2024 at 3:25:27 PM

I would suggest Nigel Kitching who has experience with writing Sonic The Comic. Or some of the other people that worked on Issue 900.

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#76868: Jan 18th 2024 at 4:48:33 PM

They should hire whoever's writing the Something About series for Mashed.

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#76869: Jan 18th 2024 at 7:15:28 PM

Eitaro Toyoda's a pretty good writer based on his Sonic Channel written stories, and he's stuck, well, writing Sonic Channel written stories.

Let him write a game plot himself for once, that'll give some writer variety again.

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#76870: Jan 18th 2024 at 7:59:02 PM

That's why spinoffs are a good idea. Let people dabble in smaller scale stuff, see what works and what doesn't, instead of exacerbating the game industry's modern boom or bust cycle. That was what made handhelds a neat thing, before the Switch made everything the same, but blurrier, devs had to try to do their own stuff on differing consoles.

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#76871: Jan 18th 2024 at 8:03:16 PM

I'm going to be real and be completely neutral about Toyoda.

Guy can work with established characters. Great.

Yet, what happens when you make him write complete new characters?

You get fucking Infinite.

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#76872: Jan 18th 2024 at 8:08:18 PM

What will happen if he gets to write a new character that isn't...Infinite?

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#76873: Jan 18th 2024 at 8:30:42 PM

For people who have issues with infinite, could you please state specifically what those are?

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#76874: Jan 19th 2024 at 12:47:06 AM

He was ineffective enough as a villain that there's still a chunk of the fandom that thinks he was intended to be a parody of edgelord villains.

I personally hold that he's a mostly forgettable one-off that had little to do in his own game. He had a pretty good design and little else.

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#76875: Jan 19th 2024 at 4:44:24 AM

And I think he's somewhat broken in the "Speed Battle" mobile game.


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