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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#75927: Oct 10th 2023 at 1:53:19 PM

I'd say so, but that might be one for the "is it an example?" thread

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#75928: Oct 10th 2023 at 2:35:32 PM

I think Knuckles Chaotix had an interesting twist on the 2-D formula. I don't think randomizing characters and stages was the way to go...

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#75929: Oct 10th 2023 at 5:40:19 PM

Not to mention, the level design did not do it any favors.

"Mai waifu."
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#75930: Oct 10th 2023 at 6:28:16 PM

I liked it.

It's not great, but it's better than a lot of stuff that came after.

magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#75931: Oct 10th 2023 at 10:37:10 PM

Implications of new Tailstube:

Mighty is basically a little slower and significantly less agile in exchange for higher attack power and toughness.

Ray can’t fly, but gliding basically costs next to nothing in terms of stamina.

Bean and Bark confirmed as Fang Lackeys.

The recent comic implies Trip’s involvement is NOT voluntary.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#75932: Oct 11th 2023 at 5:31:36 AM

Things I figured out, and IDW and Mania did confirm that association between Fang, Bean, and Bark.

Unless you are a extreme purist, I doubt anyone will care they are a team now, since their original characterization relied on information not available in the game and minimal characterization.

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Rabbitearsblog Movie and TV Goddess from United States Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Movie and TV Goddess
#75933: Oct 11th 2023 at 1:42:32 PM

I thought that Sonic 4 is no longer canon and Sonic Mania was meant to take Sonic 4's place in the cannon?

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
Mr
#75934: Oct 11th 2023 at 2:24:31 PM

Hopefully game Nack and Idw Nack are more trustworthy allies to Bean and Bark than old Archie Universe Nack and Sonic The Comic Nack were to their teammates. They have both betrayed their allies, Archie Nack betrayed his cousins and sister Nic, Sonic The Comic Nack betrayed the other members of the Chaotix team for money.

"May your heart be your guiding key"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#75935: Oct 11th 2023 at 2:51:55 PM

[up]

I actually learned about Archie Nack’s betrayal of Nic.

Apparently, he actually killed get during this betrayal?

If so, dick move Nack. Dick move.

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BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#75936: Oct 11th 2023 at 2:51:57 PM

I think there's definitely going to be a decent amount of Classic characters popping up in Modern media while the opposite will occur far less. Even beyond preserving the continuity of a Shadow or Rouge not encountering the main cast until the Adventure Era, the Classic subseries does seem to be unofficially sold as a continuation of the Genesis era titles with all the elements specifically associated (and not associated) with them.

I don't think there will be retcons or alternate continuites at work but I could see it them as minimalist enough with certain story elements that they can easily be embraced without knowledge or interest in the 3D titles (while at the same time potentially enhancing those later games for fans that like them).

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75937: Oct 11th 2023 at 3:17:10 PM

I think there’s wiggle room for Rouge to appear. It doesn’t break SA 2’s plot if she pops up as, like, a jewel thief / treasure hunter Knuckles has had to contend with for a while before the *big* plot in SA 2 where the cast actually get to know her.

IIRC it even gels with SA 2’s plot, since iirc when we meet her there she and Knuckles are already fighting before Eggman shows up and interrupts them.

Same with Infinite for the same reasons more or less. I could see the pre-Eggman Infinite and his wolf pack of minions showing up as antagonists in something set before Shadow wipes them out.

Monsund Since: Jan, 2001
#75938: Oct 11th 2023 at 3:26:39 PM

Yeah, the Nack of western comics, was a surprisingly evil dude! I guess it fits with the Darker and Edgier vibe of western material.

Also funny thing is Nack, not Fang, was actually the original name for the character planned by the character designer. Sega decided to change it to Fang in Japan as they were worried Japanese fans would get his name confused with Knuckles.

RE: Handsome Rob

I actually learned about Archie Nack’s betrayal of Nic.

Apparently, he actually killed get during this betrayal?

If so, dick move Nack. Dick move.

It was offscreen and mentioned in a official guide by Archie that was written by Ian Flynn. Archie Nack had already murdered his cousins, with whom, he shared the same ancestor with, too.

Flynn mentioned earlier on Bumble King he wanted to have Nack kill off Nic in an earlier comic, but decided to save it for a bigger plot as he noticed Nic had a small fandom.

Edited by Monsund on Oct 11th 2023 at 3:29:53 AM

neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
Mr
#75939: Oct 11th 2023 at 4:35:17 PM

In the Uk comic, he committed many crimes using his shrink rays that he invented.

Nack sold out the rest of Chaotix to the Brotherhood of Metallix for money, the Brotherhood of Metallix decided that he had outlive his usefulness so he enlarged an EMP gun he had hidden in his hat, while he was knocked out by taking part of a Metallix blast, Knuckles used it to shut them all down.

He escaped from prison, travelled to Sonic's dimension, tried to steal the treasure from the Sandopolis Zone Pyramid by shrinking each piece down to about the size of a coin. He tried to make a run for it with his stolen treasure but he had dropped his shrink ray earlier in a battle with Knuckles so Knuckles used it to make the treasure too big for his vehicle causing it to crash.

He escape from Prison again. Was hired to try to free Super Sonic for Lord Sidewinder. He shrunk down Sonic and Chaotix, he captured the Chaotix. Sonic defeated him by knocking his hat off and used one of the spare shrink rays that he kept on his hat to shrink Nack to the same size as Sonic was but Sonic didn't know how to use Nack's shrink rays so he accidentally caused Nack to keep shrinking till he was the size of an atom.

Eventually Nack was able to find a way to enlarged himself back to his regular size. He travelled to Sonic's dimension stole half of a bank vault's contents and left an anonymous note daring Sonic to stop him from stealing the other half. He was able to steal other half of the contents but Sonic's friend had placed a tracker on it. He used his shrinking technology to be a threat to Sonic but ran when he heard the police.

He was seen helping Grimer find Robotnik after Robotnik had been shrunk to smaller than an atom. They used shrinking belts that Nack had made to follow Robotnik to a sub atomic world. Sonic followed after by using a spare belt that had been left behind. After that Robotnik used Nack's shrink belt as part of a device to enlarged the sub atomic world and merge it with Mobius. That plan didn't work how Robotnik wanted he help Grimer carry Robotnik away and was never seen again in the print run.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#75940: Oct 11th 2023 at 4:52:41 PM

Someone got Superstars a week early.

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ElementX Since: Jan, 2001
#75941: Oct 11th 2023 at 7:51:41 PM

Time to put my spoiler shields up.

And please remember to spoil tag y'all.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#75942: Oct 12th 2023 at 4:37:56 AM

[up][up][up][up] There's a point, unlike Shadow, Cream, Silver and Blaze, Rouge's first meeting with Team Sonic has never been depicted before, so she could appear in a 2D sonic game without breaking continuity; though obviously it would be too much of a stretch to have her be on team sonic.

Unless every game ends with her and Knuckles having a big falling out.

I feel like rouge is deserving of a renaissance. And the mania era of sonic is almost entirely devoid of female characters save for Amy and Trip.

Heh, growing up I always thought Bark the polar bear was a girl because of his hair.

Edited by Whowho on Oct 12th 2023 at 4:38:44 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#75943: Oct 12th 2023 at 5:59:07 AM

[up] Wasn't her first meeting in SA 2?

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#75944: Oct 12th 2023 at 6:28:03 AM

Her and Knuckles' plot starts in medias res unless I'm mistaken.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#75945: Oct 12th 2023 at 6:52:38 AM

[up]That doesn't mean they met before SA 2, it just means we didn't see their first meeting in full detail.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#75946: Oct 12th 2023 at 7:39:41 AM

In the Wild Canyon preview, Knuckles says "The thief turns out to be this know-it-all bat girl of all things." Implying it's the first time meeting her. Otherwise, even if he didn't know Rouge's name at the time, he would have said "That thief..."

Granted, Amy apparently became slow and inflexible for a bit for some reason. So whatever lol

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75947: Oct 12th 2023 at 7:43:40 AM

[up][up] The point isn't that they explicitly met before SA 2, it's that because there isn't an explicit first meeting with her it doesn't contradict anything to have her appear earlier if the designers want to.

[up] Eh, that's a stretch.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 12th 2023 at 7:44:12 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#75948: Oct 12th 2023 at 9:13:10 AM

That wild canyon line definitely shows that Knuckles doesn't know rogue very well at that point, but so long as any prequal doesn't establish Rogue as a know-it-all, (unlikely in the unvoiced 2D games) it doesn't outright contradict anything.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75949: Oct 12th 2023 at 9:37:04 AM

Yeah, I mostly figure the “wiggle room” only really pertains to Rouge showing up as an antagonist.

Like, racing the players to the chaos emeralds or something and skiving off when she fails.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 12th 2023 at 9:37:15 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#75950: Oct 12th 2023 at 1:18:42 PM

RE: TailsTube:

Wasn't even expecting one, but hey! I ain't complaining! Because we got confirmation that the Classic games are indeed the Modern cast's past and there's more evidence that we can have Modern variants of Classic characters like Mighty, Ray, and Fang.

And I really like how this episode does what the last one did with Frontiers and ends with a nudge regarding the upcoming Sonic game! More of that, you guys!

And hey, remember how Classic Amy can have her Modern outfit in Sonic Superstars? You can score it via a newsletter! But for Steam guys, it's only available from 10/10 - 10/24, so tick-tock!


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