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Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#75877: Oct 8th 2023 at 10:10:02 AM

Tangle already got name dropped so they’re already in and yes it counts.

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#75878: Oct 8th 2023 at 10:14:05 AM

@MorningStar1337

She actually is mentioned in Japanese version(2:52, put captions on):

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#75879: Oct 8th 2023 at 10:15:41 AM

I still have to second evil santa. Again, the references are so subtle that they can be easily retconned away next game, esp if Frontiers remains the only game to be written by Ian. It's gonna take an actual in the flesh appearance to cement the canonization of the comics (and sticks)

(and again, I have to ask if Tangle and Sticks were even referenced in the JP script?) NVM got [nja]'d by hard evidence.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Oct 8th 2023 at 10:16:09 AM

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#75880: Oct 8th 2023 at 10:44:00 AM

I remember reading that the director was so impressed with Ian's writing that he plans to hire him for the next game. Or at least that he was considering it.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75881: Oct 8th 2023 at 11:08:03 AM

I'd generally agree that there's a difference between paying lip service to a character being canon and actually following through by utilizing the character in any way.

"There's a single voice line that references Tangle indirectly if you bring Sonic to a specific area and have him stand in a certain spot" means they're willing to acknowledge IDW, if in an extremely obtuse way, but not much else.

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#75882: Oct 8th 2023 at 11:37:07 AM

Plus, Sticks also gets a mention, and because Boom is clearly its own continuity, that makes the mentioned Sticks a different incarnation of the chatacter, and so the Tangle that was mentioned is just as possibly an alternate version.

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#75883: Oct 8th 2023 at 12:54:21 PM

Finally picked up Origins Plus for cheap have and have almost finished a playthrough of each game with a different character (Sonic in 1, Knuckles in CD, Tails in 2, Amy in 3&K). finished 1, I think it actually confirmed Marble Zone as being one of the worst stages in Classic Sonic for me.

The aesthetics aren't terribly interesting, there's too much waiting around with platforms, and it just has a general lack of flow in a level that in no way plays to Sonic's strengths gameplay wise. Even as maligned as Labyrinth Zone is, at least there's a novelty to it and the worst aspects come more from cheap enemy placement than the water itself.

Honestly having Knuckles abilities made for the most enjoyable playthrough of CD I've ever had. The gliding and climbing arguably make him more fit for the level design than Sonic and even as someone that prefers to go for the Time Stones then the Generators, its nice to have a character more built for exploration for future replays.

Tails in 2 was fine, though the lack of a Super form in a standard playthrough is a little annoying. I kind of wish I'd swapped him and Sonic in the respective games I played because 2's speedy level design is so build for the latter's use of the drop dash and 1 for the former's flight during the inconsistent platforming.

Amy's been fun (just beat the Sonic 3 portion), though her lack of an interesting jumping option does stand out. Given that Superstars is giving her a double jump, its a little surprising that they didn't do the same here as it easily would have fit her with hammer spin. Glad she's here, but she's probably going to feel a little incomplete to me.

ElementX Since: Jan, 2001
#75884: Oct 8th 2023 at 1:21:10 PM

[up] This video ranks Marble Zone as the second worst level in the classic series, after Metropolis.

I actually think the aesthetics are one of the main reasons you don't see people hate on this level. I don't know if there's another Sonic level with that sort of gothic vibe to it. And the music is great.

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#75885: Oct 8th 2023 at 1:23:22 PM

[up]For whatever reason to me it never felt like it entirely fit Classic Sonic; almost feeling like the background of an Altered Beast stage that got put in a Sonic game.

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#75886: Oct 8th 2023 at 1:58:30 PM

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I agree with Targetmaster Joe that some of these sites that state the condition of the IDW comics might not be reliable. Actually, I never heard of this site until just now.

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#75887: Oct 8th 2023 at 2:20:19 PM

My view is that Game Tangle and IDW are two different versions of the same character. Just like Stay Sonic, Satam, Archie Comics and Sonic The Comic all have a Sally Acorn in but she isn't same character in them. She is a Princess in two of them (Satam and Archie) but in the other two (Stay Sonic and Stc) she is an ordinary civilian like Sonic and Tails but in all she is a friend of Sonic.

Edited by neoamon on Oct 8th 2023 at 10:21:28 AM

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#75888: Oct 8th 2023 at 2:28:37 PM

I feel the same in regards to Tangle. Name dropping her in Sonic Frontiers is not going to do much to convince everyone that IDW is canon. The only reason why IDW would be canon to the games is because it takes place after Sonic Forces at the beginning of its run. Unless the IDW comics mentioned the events from Sonic Frontiers at some point during its run or unless the Sonic games introduced a story line from the comics, like say the Metal Virus arc, then it's going to be hard to see IDW as being canon to the games.

Edited by Rabbitearsblog on Oct 8th 2023 at 2:29:11 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#75889: Oct 8th 2023 at 4:15:22 PM

I'd be really curious to see Sage appear in the IDW comics as she'd be a real shake up in how team sonic interact with Robotnik, but I can't see them having IDW jump to post Frontiers until they solidly know what the writing for Frontiers 2 is going to be. Otherwise there's a risk of the two properties stepping on each other's toes (especially in regards to what Sage does next)

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#75890: Oct 8th 2023 at 5:25:06 PM

I still think if Tangle appears in a game, they're gonna treat it like it's the first time her and Sonic have ever met, for the sake of the audience.

They haven't had a character show up with no fanfare since Tails.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#75891: Oct 8th 2023 at 5:27:59 PM

Well its not like there isn't a precedent of going backwards in the time line that extended as far as...the very next game!tongue

(even within the Modern era games there is still the advanced trilogy that introduced Cream after her cameo in Adventure 2 IIRC)

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#75892: Oct 8th 2023 at 6:09:02 PM

I thought that Cream didn't show up in the games until Sonic Heroes.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#75893: Oct 8th 2023 at 6:14:08 PM

that might be the case, I'm not sure if the SA 2 cameo was a remake only thing (though I'm still willing to count it as a retcon if it is)

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Oct 8th 2023 at 6:14:49 AM

ElementX Since: Jan, 2001
#75894: Oct 8th 2023 at 6:19:25 PM

[up][up] Cream's first official game was Advance 2. She was created for Heroes, but Sega decided to put her in the Advance series as an early introduction. She essentially replaced Amy.

[up] She also cameoed in Mega Collection and Adventure DX, which you might be thinking of.

Edited by ElementX on Oct 8th 2023 at 9:21:21 AM

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#75895: Oct 8th 2023 at 6:47:37 PM

It was a remake only cameo.

She did not appear in either version of Sonic Adventure 2.

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#75896: Oct 8th 2023 at 10:43:38 PM

a sweet ass cover of Famitsu that features Sonic Superstars

Edited by taotruths on Oct 8th 2023 at 10:59:12 AM

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#75897: Oct 8th 2023 at 10:47:42 PM

Really good, almost...too good.

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Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#75898: Oct 8th 2023 at 11:52:35 PM

Marble zone isn't the worst zone what? The music is great and while slow it's honestly not a bad level.

I don't think metropolis is the worst either. It's just hard with annoying enemies. I think death egg is harder IMO.

I think sandopolis is the worst or a runner up for worst. I guess it's pretty unique but I never liked it.

Edited by Vertigo_High on Oct 8th 2023 at 11:53:12 AM

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#75899: Oct 8th 2023 at 11:59:32 PM

I wouldn't go so far as to say its a bad level... But I really don't care for Launch Base Zone. Its just kind of meh to me.

Marble Zone is my least favorite though. I don't like all the block pushing and all the waiting for spikes or platforms.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#75900: Oct 9th 2023 at 12:45:55 AM

I don't think I ever legitimately beat Labyrinth Zone or Wing Fortress Zone.

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