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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#75351: Aug 27th 2023 at 12:47:24 PM

I think what would make the most sense is, Silver comes to the past from the bad future, he fixes the past and makes a good future, but in that good future there's already a Silver who never had to travel to the past because his future was always good, thus the first Silver stays in the past. I'm not sure how time travel works in the stuff we do have though. Like, in Archie, Silver kept coming back from the future, but didn't really know why his future was bad, and tried to fix the past, but then he went back home and found the future refused to change. And this happens more than once.

Negaman Since: Aug, 2017
#75352: Aug 27th 2023 at 1:55:09 PM

Honestly, thinking on it now, I think the best bet would be to have the Time Stones be involved BUT not Silver implicitly using them.

Basically, it's another Chaos and Sol Emerald situation where the things are sentient, only they're SO hands off that Silver just straight up doesn't know and isn't aware of their involvement whenever they just punt him through a portal to the past.

But, that would require Silver to live on Little Planet and essentially be the guardian of the Time Stones.

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#75353: Aug 27th 2023 at 2:17:53 PM

In the official Unofficial Continuation to Sonic the comic. Silver uses a time stone to prevent him getting regoned after stopping Iblis/Super Sonic from getting so powerful in the future.

Silver in Stc Online is a G.U.N. agent with Silver being his codename and the other G.U.N codenames are metals. In Sonic X all the G.U.N agents have codenames based on jewels. Do all versions of G.U.N. have codenames based on a theme?

Edited by neoamon on Aug 27th 2023 at 10:25:32 AM

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#75354: Aug 27th 2023 at 2:37:57 PM

[up][up][up] And then have it trun out that that Silver is the descendant of the Silver that time traveled.

Negaman Since: Aug, 2017
#75355: Aug 27th 2023 at 2:49:47 PM

Then again, the Sonic timeline seems to be similar to Eternalism. Basically the theory that the past, present, and future are all equally real and exist simultaneously.

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#75356: Aug 27th 2023 at 2:55:52 PM

...GUN doesn't have characters, let alone characters with names.

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CausativeDust Since: Apr, 2021
#75357: Aug 27th 2023 at 3:02:03 PM

The funny thing is that Sonic has a whole bunch of different examples of time travel, and they don't quite work the exact same way as each other:

-Sonic CD has a very fluid timeline, where actions in the past directly affect things in the future on Little Planet (it's unclear, but implied that the Time Stones/Posts don't work outside of there due to Eggman's reach being limited).

-Sonic 06's Chaos Emeralds go the Stable Time Loop path, as up until the Last Story all cases of time travel are required to always happen to make sense of things. Mephiles also seems to follow these rules, with the exception of the Time Crash after merging with Iblis.

-Sonic Generations may go either the Stable Time Loop if you believe in only 1 timeline (although even then there's also some temporal amnesia presumably in play) or goes by Multiverse Theory if you think the game caused a new timeline.

-And of course, Silver's multiple occasions seem to require him to act to 'fix' the future, where he remains unchanged and paradox-proof so he can fulfill his role.

Edited by CausativeDust on Aug 27th 2023 at 3:02:34 AM

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#75358: Aug 27th 2023 at 3:40:57 PM

I just think it's poor writing from the staff not knowing how any of this works, so Silver is just...there. He's popular, the favorite of the staff and Stanley's personal favorite, and we poor souls have to make sense of how he shows up, because we know Sonic Team won't have a satisfying answer.

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#75359: Aug 27th 2023 at 6:11:08 PM

@neoamon; I think the only named operative that isn't just a repeated line is the commander, Abraham.

Edited by Grounder on Aug 27th 2023 at 6:11:20 AM

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#75360: Aug 27th 2023 at 6:16:15 PM

That would be this dude, the GUN Commander. Given the name Abraham Tower by Flynn in the Archie Sonic comics, saying the guy was important enough to need a name.

Edited by WillKeaton on Aug 27th 2023 at 7:16:52 AM

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#75361: Aug 27th 2023 at 9:49:51 PM

I think there's an appealingly bittersweet quality to the idea that the good future Silver fights for is one where he doesn't exist. He's just as alien to his new future as he is to the present.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75362: Aug 27th 2023 at 9:59:39 PM

One thing that I don't get is why doesn't Silver get regone when he journeys to past wouldn't what happens in the past create a new future every time.

The easiest answer to this is that there's no reason to assume a character would be in danger of erasing themselves from existence by changing the past.

It's just something people take as a given because Back To The Future was very popular.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 27th 2023 at 10:00:27 AM

JakesBrain Since: Jul, 2010
#75363: Aug 28th 2023 at 2:04:31 AM

Yeah, you could just go with the Primer reference. "Apparently the last revision is the one that counts."

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#75364: Aug 28th 2023 at 4:49:03 PM

Sonic as a whole has been kind of nebulous on what time travel model they follow, at least imo

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#75365: Aug 28th 2023 at 6:27:38 PM

It's like they can't decide if continuity is important to the franchise or not.

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#75366: Aug 28th 2023 at 6:30:19 PM

You guys keep saying that. What in recent games has suggested continuity isn't important? What would they have to do to make it clear that it is? How did Frontiers not clear that up?

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#75367: Aug 29th 2023 at 5:26:13 PM

According to a recent interview, Superstars' battle mode does feature Metal Tails and Metal Amy (as we probably all surmised), who were designed by Kazuyuki Hoshino!

Edited by taotruths on Aug 29th 2023 at 5:27:18 AM

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#75368: Aug 29th 2023 at 5:52:20 PM

For context, Kazuyuki Hoshino is the one who designed Metal Sonic, so points for authenticity! grin

Hey, Tails has his own Metal counterpart! That fussing he made back in IDW's 30th anniversary Seasons of Chaos special paid off! cool

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#75369: Aug 30th 2023 at 2:40:22 AM

And now we have new artwork of Rouge and Omega, with nary a shadow in sight. Kind of refreshing. It's beautiful. I've looked at this for five hours now

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#75370: Aug 30th 2023 at 2:47:14 AM

...

Goddammit, I am seeing Omega's torso as a blushing moai with an open faced smile. [lol]

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#75372: Aug 30th 2023 at 4:38:32 AM

[up][up][up][up] There was a whole Metal Series in the Archie Comics, including Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Shadow, and Scourge.

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#75373: Aug 30th 2023 at 4:41:18 AM

So is Fang playable in the new Sonic game?

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#75374: Aug 30th 2023 at 4:43:26 AM

[up]It is unknown at this time what Nack's playable status is.

[up][up]In Sonic The Comic Metal series had Metal Sonics/Metallix, the Knuckles Metallix/Metal Knuckles, the Porker Metallix/Metal version of Porker Lewis that had fake skin to pose as the real Porker Lewis.

Edited by neoamon on Aug 30th 2023 at 12:45:53 PM

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#75375: Aug 30th 2023 at 5:08:12 AM

Oh well. Fingers crossed.

But I gotta say, Fang having a kind of resurgence is good to see. First Triple trouble 16-bit and now this.

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