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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#75326: Aug 25th 2023 at 8:09:30 AM

A video on different implementations of time travel in film:

mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
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#75327: Aug 25th 2023 at 8:50:26 AM

Eh, I'd say the time travel in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers made plenty of sense.

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Negaman Since: Aug, 2017
#75328: Aug 25th 2023 at 9:40:19 AM

[up][up] To paraphrase Matthew Broderick's character from the first American Godzilla movie: that's a lot of time.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#75329: Aug 25th 2023 at 10:16:43 AM

Time travel gets Mis-blamed for bad writing a lot. It's not a particularly difficult concept to understand when written well.

I agree that Generations has a pretty easy to understand time travel plot. The fact that Forces tried to retcon the hell out of it and turned it into a mess doesn't change that. That's on Forces, not Generations. Heck, the problem is that Forces tried to claim it wasn't a time travel story all of a sudden.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 25th 2023 at 10:17:39 AM

Negaman Since: Aug, 2017
#75330: Aug 25th 2023 at 10:27:25 AM

At least they're fixing it now with Tails Tube. Classic Sonic is still Sonic's younger self and from the past. As far as hindsight is concerned, Forces was just a shoddy attempt to implement the real world fact that time is just another dimension of reality.

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#75331: Aug 25th 2023 at 11:43:29 AM

You could've ended that sentence at "Forces was just a shoddy attempt," and we'd all understand. [lol]

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#75333: Aug 25th 2023 at 12:47:49 PM

Never mind that nobody means that when they say "another dimension", especially since in that sense, it's not even separate from the present "dimension".

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#75334: Aug 25th 2023 at 1:08:19 PM

Someone made a design of Super Sonic fused with the Supreme Titan or Supreme Sonic.

Or rather Super Sonic and Sage both pilot the Titan at the same time.

Reminds me of like the Light Gaia temple mecha at the end of Sonic Unleashed.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#75335: Aug 26th 2023 at 3:41:55 AM

Speaking of THE END, something hilarious to me is that the climax of Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020's story mode has Eggman dramatically announce "It's... THE END!" when the game's about to die and the world fades around them, which would cause Cessation of Existence. A few years later, Sonic Frontiers had its villain literally named THE END that also had world-destroying properties.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Aug 26th 2023 at 6:48:34 AM

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#75336: Aug 26th 2023 at 5:40:54 AM

I do think Solaris buffed itself with the Chaos Emeralds, but not because of anything to do with its split selves.

But rather the difference between tiny flame Solaris, that can be killed off by someone just blowing on it like a candle, vs the 4th dimensional multiverse destroyer Solaris that exists throughout all of time (not three time periods, there's always more past in the past and more future in the future) and can still come back from being killed as long as its consciousness isn't.

Also, like, because being buffed by the 7 Chaos Emeralds is their most iconic ability even now.

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#75338: Aug 26th 2023 at 2:43:36 PM

"Always more future in the future"

Inb 4 Future-Future Silver becomes a You Tube meme character like Future-Future Trunks is.

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#75339: Aug 26th 2023 at 9:17:09 PM

Speaking of Solaris, is time for the new and fun and exciting new information that clashes with what was established [kinda].

The new bios from Sonic's Friends website brought new information for Silver: "these days he goes he travels to Sonic's time via mysterious portals when things in the past goes awry."

This contradicts a established fact in a Sonic Channel artwork that...never left Japan. Riveting, where it states "he has some unusual powers, including the ability to travel through time via Chaos Control". And if IDW is canon as it's marketed, Silver does claim he has experience with Chaos Control, just not as good as Shadow.

It's a good thing Silver method for time travel has never been discussed in any game or comic, otherwise I would call foul.

Anyway, I geniunely don't like Silver for this kind of things: a poor established background, as he just shows up because he is popular. And while the original method made more sense than the new, that just had the Plot Hole of what happened to the Chaos Emeralds Silver used. Did he left them in the future? He has it on his pockets? Yada yada.

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#75340: Aug 26th 2023 at 9:23:46 PM

I always figured he time traveled by thinking really hard.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#75341: Aug 26th 2023 at 10:17:07 PM

I'd still like to know what his timeline is even like now.

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#75342: Aug 26th 2023 at 11:19:20 PM

Dull. Hence why everytime he is bored, which is a lot, he goes to the present.

Guy doesn't have friends of any kind in his world.

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#75343: Aug 27th 2023 at 12:46:54 AM

If they ever bothered to properly reintroduce Silver, they could've used the "come back to the past to experience old things" bit from Sonic Colours as his entire reason to even be there.

And the future never actually has to be in jeopardy as an excuse.

This random portal teleportation is a band-aid fix with its own Fridge Logic issues.

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#75344: Aug 27th 2023 at 1:08:17 AM

Can't they just have it that the future has a Time Police Silver works for? It would actually explain why he shows up for some world-changing event (in other words most Sonic games)

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#75345: Aug 27th 2023 at 1:59:18 AM

On the Miracle Planet/Little Planet Sonic and his friends use signs to travel to the past and future and there are the time stones as well that have the power to control time. So there are established methods of time travel Silver could use to get back to the past. Why doesn't he use them.

Edited by neoamon on Aug 27th 2023 at 9:59:57 AM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#75346: Aug 27th 2023 at 2:25:21 AM

Because the point is taking away Silver's ability to choose and decide "when" he goes back in time.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#75347: Aug 27th 2023 at 7:25:44 AM

I feel like you could get something out of Silver feeling alienated from everyone else in his time because of all the time traveling he does, but that would require a story to focus on him.

Negaman Since: Aug, 2017
#75348: Aug 27th 2023 at 10:05:54 AM

Josh Bones: As far as I or anyone can tell, the Time Stones are connected only to Little Planet. Also, the sign post give you a destination, the actual ability to time travel is still beholden to Sonic since he has to travel at the speeds necessary to go to the past or future. Little Planet also appears once a year, so Silver would have to practically be living on it and coordinate his arrival to and departure from the past so such an extent that doing so would make everything needlessly complicated and convoluted.

Same with using two Chaos Emeralds to travel back and forth, it sounds simple on paper, but when you actually think of just how much would be needed to make it work on a constant basis for every time he goes back to the past, it just becomes needlessly complex.

Numbah 1234: That was pretty much what I was saying. Just including Mephiles and Iblis since they ARE Solaris and only really corroborate the point about the discrepancy between Living Flame and 5th Dimensional Solaris. The two of them and the Living Flame Solaris don't contradict each other when it comes to how they're portrayed and ultimately taken out. Unlike 5th Dimensional Solaris.

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#75349: Aug 27th 2023 at 10:21:27 AM

At this point, they may as well say that Silver experiences time differently than everyone else due to 06 and its subsequent not-quite-self-erasal.

Like, the world becomes a Bad Future all around him immediately when 200 years have passed since the moment things went to shit for everyone else.

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#75350: Aug 27th 2023 at 12:26:17 PM

One thing that I don't get is why doesn't Silver get regone when he journeys to past wouldn't what happens in the past create a new future every time. Or does Silver's timeline work off you have already changed the past rules?

Edited by neoamon on Aug 27th 2023 at 8:32:25 PM

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