That's actually how I would establish her in the Modern era. Moreover, in my vision for a Chaotix game, she would be the subject of a case where bad luck keeps happening to her after she announces wanting to retire from idol singing, leading to have her recruit the Detective Agency to find out who's trying to do her in. What follows is basically a Brooksnian parody of horror anime (think High Anxiety, but swap out the Hitchcock movies with anime like Perfect Blue and Paranoia Agent).
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 24th 2023 at 1:22:56 PM
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I could see it as being Nack and/or Infinite behind the "accidents" since they are mercenaries for hire.
This could serve as a way to reintroduced them. Infinite would not have any powers now, he just uses a blade, a wisp arm and his own skills. Nack would also be using a wisp arm instead of his guns, his bike and his skills.
Since Nack and Infinite are mercenaries the question would be who hired them.
Edited by neoamon on Aug 24th 2023 at 7:59:10 PM
"May your heart be your guiding key"Oooh, new Blaze art!
She's going on a deep sea dive for treasure and I like it.
To throw my hat into the Solaris vs The End ring, here are some things to ponder.
1: Isn't Iblis literally the raw power of Solaris in physical form, and only really billed as a world ender?
2: Since Sonic was turned Super after being resurrected by the Chaos Emeralds, wouldn't that mean the same or similar would have had to have happened to Solaris to keep consistency? The fact that Solaris is killable shouldn't mean that it's for some reason immune to or exempt from this. If anything, it should mean the opposite.
3: If Solaris explicitly stated true form being blown out kills and erases him from existence, doesn't that mean that the temporal omnipresence it displayed post Chaos Emerald induced resurrection ISN'T an ability it has without the Chaos Emeralds empowerment? Because otherwise, how would blowing it out have accomplished ANYTHING?
While you can argue something similar with THE END, that being it's words and visible actions not lining up, said words REEK of an entity toying with its food and doing so for sadistic fun, pleasure, and amusement. Giving a good reason for why it's not just snapping everything out of existence that's not unlike Sonic's own reason in SA 2 & Unleashed: The love of the adventure and preferring the longer, more exciting way than just cheesing it. Just a MUCH darker twist on it.
Whereas Solaris starts falling apart once you actually start wondering WHY he just doesn't get the emeralds and merge with Iblis in the future AND trying to reconcile Pre and Post Chaos Emerald resurrection Solaris as one thing rather than the latter being an elevation of the former.
I don't think Solaris is powered up by the Chaos Emeralds at all. It's not really clear because the final story is so rushed, but no character gives any explanation about Solaris' use of the Chaos Emeralds and Solaris just discards them after he used them to fuse (in contrast to Super Sonic having the Chaos Emerald on/inside him while he's super), so it seems like Mephilis just used Emerald's power as a medium to successfully fuse himself with Iblis but otherwise had no use for them.
Edited by KuroBaraHime on Aug 24th 2023 at 10:44:30 AM
THE END's words didn't seem like it was playing with its food to me. It seemed like Order's inability to understand Chaos (freedom).
The whole monologue seemed to me like... THE END is trying to impress upon Sonic how powerful it is. But it's also really rusty, having been locked up for a while. So when it realizes it isn't actually winning the fight, the male voice drops out, because it's abandoning the fight to go recover its power. That's also around the time it points out that that form is only an incarnation.
Mike and Cindy, the voices for Eggman and Amy, were also the voice for THE END. I asked Mike in a You Tube comment if his voice dropping out was intentional to convey anything, but he said any meaning (or lack thereof) to what lines were or weren't used weren't conveyed to the actors
Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Aug 24th 2023 at 10:28:03 AM
Considering the actors themselves cite no real meaning or lack thereof, I don't think the male and female voices bowing out at times has any real meaning.
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My point though is that there's not only a literal character that is the literal RAW power of Solaris, and that said character is always billed as being a world ender and not a universal or multiversal destroyer. Meaning Solaris, by extension, is a world ender up until its resurrected via Chaos Emerald induced merging.
But also the mere fact that Solaris true form completely lacks the temporal omnipresence that its resurrected form has. Because if it DID have that then killing and wiping it out from existence wouldn't have been possible at all.
Multiple Mephiles' can be in the same time because he can travel through it.
But he's not omnipresent throughout time, otherwise trapping ONE Mephiles would have done nothing much like how beating one Solaris wouldn't effect the remaining two in the last story. And we know for a fact that he's not since the Mephiles of 10 years ago has literally NO idea of ANYTHING as he's being sealed by Shadow. Meaning Mephiles is as subjected to time as anyone else, and thus so is Solaris by extension.
While the Mephiles of 200 years later only exists because he traveled to there from the present and then back to the present once he convinced Silver. Becoming immune to the Scepter of Darkness due to having absorbed Shadow’s shadow "earlier" in the present and becoming stronger than he was 10 years prior.
And since Iblis is always and only ever billed as a world ender, and these two are each one-half of Solaris, it's only logical to assume their shown capabilities put together are what Solaris is actually capable of.
And since that Solaris (a god with world ending capabilities that's just as subjected to the force it governs as anyone else) doesn't really match up with post-merge-resurrection Solaris (a 5th Dimensional lifeform that can eat entire dimensions and their timelines for lunch, transcends the force it governs, and collapse time itself into nothingness once finished), then the only real recourse is to assume that, while not using them like how Super States use them, Solaris DID use their energy to both merge and buff himself up on some level.
The problem with that line of logic is that it assumes certain rules exist that we have no reason to think the writers were following. Like the idea that Solaris can't be more powerful than the sum of its parts.
Iblis being described as Solaris' raw power isn't all that descriptive since raw power wouldn't have a physical form, and Mephiles still has access to his own powers. The two of them are really just Solaris' flame and shadow split into two beings, and can be vaguely considered representative of Solaris' "body" and "mind". But really, it's hard to say much of how it's supposed to work because the descriptions actually given about it mostly figurative. Iblis isn't even emphasized much as being Solaris' "power" so much as its "destructive flame", so it's easy to imagine Mephiles has some power to him that needs to be combined with Iblis' to form Solaris' full time-bending powers.
And what exactly Solaris even is is never explained. As far as we're told and shown, it was originally just a living flame. We have no idea where it came from or what interactions the people of Soleanna may have had with it to know it's magical/divine. The only reason it ever split into Iblis and Mephiles and starts doing anything in the first is because the failed experiment Elise's father performed. While we could speculate that Solaris was empowered by the Chaos Emerald as a reason why it's merged form isn't just a flame, we could also speculate that it's the unexplained experiment that did it, or that the Solaris was always that powerful but the experiment gave it Mephiles' will.
And if hypothetically flame Solaris is a different power level than final boss Solaris, then the argument splitting hairs whether judging Solaris by its final boss strength "doesn't count" is pointless in the first place, because comparing a villain with agency like The End to a flame that sits around and does nothing unless someone else tries to use its power is nonsensical. Obviously, we would have to be talking about it in its final boss form where it's an actual "person".
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I'm going off what you said, which was that Mike said the meaning or lack thereof was not made apparent to the actors, and giving my thoughts on that.
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Iblis is Solaris' raw power and strength, Mephiles is Solaris' cunning mind and ability to travel through time. They aren't beings made from Solaris. They're parts of Solaris split apart. Ergo every capability and limit either display is to be applied to Solaris since they both literally ARE Solaris. Just different parts.
The living flame is still, as I said, a god with world ending capabilities that is still as affected by its charge (time) as anything else. Since, you know, again, blowing it out before ANY of the game's events managing to kill and erase it from existence literally flies in the face of what the final story shows and claims about it. Which is that taking it out in just one or two time periods (in this case the past) would do nothing since one or two would still exist in the other remaining time periods (in this case the present and future).
The game also literally spells out that Super Sonic, Super Shadow, and Super Silver are canonically each fighting a Solaris in a different time period, not ganging up on one Solaris like the Titans and their pilots did to THE END. So, one can't even use how the fight plays out in the gameplay against this either. Since story typically supercedes gameplay.
Heck, Ian himself even said in the August 16th Bumble Kast THIS very year (yes, about a week ago, not joking, it's around 3:54 or so seconds in) that he's inclined to say that Solaris' dimension destroying abilities are due to the Chaos Emeralds because of this exact same kind of discrepancy between pre and post merge resurrection Solaris. So, even he notices this issue.
Heck, this discrepancy is the very reason WHY this is even a debate! Since we're pitting the end of all things, a literal force of nature outright stated to be above gods, against a god that managed to attain the power to achieve what said force of nature wants to do: destroy all of existence.
WITH ALL THAT SAID! Solaris is just as much of a "person" as it's true living flame form as it is post merge resurrection. The Duke of Soleanna does talk to it, and it's not like Mephiles (who, again, is literally Solaris' mind and chronokinesis in physical form) acts like a newborn baby.
Edited by Negaman on Aug 24th 2023 at 11:58:08 AM
Sonic Generations already exists...
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