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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#75151: Aug 4th 2023 at 10:09:20 AM

Mephiles's plan was really simple: make a grown woman cry so that he can use 7 pretty rocks and some fire to destroy all of time.

Also I do actually like the idea of Elise and Sonic being this ambiguous romance where it's up to player interpretation whether Sonic reciprocates or not. It's just, well, it's poorly written.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#75152: Aug 4th 2023 at 10:20:41 AM

@75148 Good thing they didn't keep Madonna, eh? XD

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KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#75153: Aug 4th 2023 at 2:43:23 PM

Elise's main issues are simply not having very strong personality that makes her immediately likeable, and Sonic's story is badly structured so her relationship with Sonic is awkward and gets kidnapped too many times that it gets annoying/hilarious.

But I don't feel like there's a good reason to actively hate her, and I find it stupid if someone is passionately ranting about her.

ElementX Since: Jan, 2001
#75154: Aug 4th 2023 at 3:29:52 PM

This art had a lot of people reconsidering Elise.

@KnownUnknown We definitely could use more recurring villains, though I feel Trip is going to do a Heel–Face Turn.

Edited by ElementX on Aug 4th 2023 at 6:30:31 AM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#75155: Aug 4th 2023 at 5:43:33 PM

Not being a realistic human might have helped Elise a lot.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#75156: Aug 4th 2023 at 6:38:07 PM

Sure it would.

But...hypothetically, if SEGA were to remake Sonic Nex Gen...they should not change her design.

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#75157: Aug 5th 2023 at 2:00:35 PM

So that isekai story with Silver and Blaze, it says that Burning Blaze has some sort of "Unlimited Burning Blaze" mode that had a giant wing of flame.

An artist did a rendition of that moment, though adding her own flavor that made the wing look like Solaris' wings.

It just looks cool.

Edited by taotruths on Aug 5th 2023 at 2:00:47 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#75158: Aug 5th 2023 at 2:17:00 PM

[up] Man, what I'd give for those isekai stories to be adapted into official comics, like an OGN or something. They'd probably sell like hotcakes!

But...hypothetically, if SEGA were to remake Sonic Nex Gen...they should not change her design.

I mean. If we ever actually do get a shot at Sonic 06 done properly, I wouldn't be opposed to them shaking up how the humans look like. It'd help set it apart from the original. Like, if the Silver/Elise art is anything to go off of, her looking like she does there would be considered a glow-up.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#75159: Aug 5th 2023 at 3:01:17 PM

She honestly has a cute design, it's just the realistic original art style didn't compliment her so well.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#75160: Aug 5th 2023 at 3:19:00 PM

My opinion is rather close, that being that the realistic design is fine...in a vaccum and the actual issue is that she has to share screen space with anthros half her size. So she and 06 in general has a bit of an Uncanny Valley effect that other sonic media with humans avoid (usually by the nature of being anime or comic medium, and thus having some stylisation, or by making the anthros look more realistic in the case of the live action films...and that still didn't avoid the UV given the original design of Sonic there)

That aside, the execution being as botched as the rest of the game also didn't help matters. Kingdom Hearts was able to pull off mixing cartoony and realistic designs fairly well.

With regards to a remake. The game would prolly have to be built from sratch again given the likelyhood that the source code was lost on SEGA's end or the slightly more likelyhood that they would want to address most of the flaws that made 06 hates to begin with (including the dissonance in designs). In either case, Elsie and msot of the human characters getting a facelift is in the realm of probability (I assume Sonicman would be the lone exception because of the memetic factor. Bur than again I aslo assume that he was in 06 to begin with instead of the adventure duology so if that is wrong feel free to correct me)

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Aug 5th 2023 at 3:20:04 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#75161: Aug 5th 2023 at 3:36:47 PM

I could see Elise working in the cartoonier unleashed style without having to change that much, honestly.

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#75162: Aug 5th 2023 at 3:51:29 PM

If SEGA ever thought they'd be touching 06 again, they wouldn't let the fan remake/replacement exist.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#75163: Aug 5th 2023 at 3:56:28 PM

...all that means is that they haven't even considered doing it.

If they were to do it, it'd be a 50/50 chance on whether or not they'll C&D the fan project.

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#75164: Aug 6th 2023 at 7:27:56 AM

I thought that SEGA was a bit more relaxed when it comes to fan games, unlike Nintendo.

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#75165: Aug 6th 2023 at 9:00:22 AM

They are in fact.

They only started becoming more fair after an enormous backlash when they canceled a Streets of Rage fangame.

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ElementX Since: Jan, 2001
#75166: Aug 6th 2023 at 9:18:42 AM

Sega is a lot more chill about fangames than Nintendo is. SAGE has been around for like two decades. But if they're doing their own remaster/remake of a game then they're probably going to shut down any fan projects because it just makes sense to do so. I'm betting that's why they pulled the plug on Streets of Rage.

I doubt Sega has any plans to remake 06 or even re-release it given how much of a disaster it was for them. If anything gets a remake it'll probably be the Adventure titles or Heroes and I don't know if they even plan to do that.

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#75167: Aug 6th 2023 at 12:50:58 PM

SEGA is chill about Sonic fangames specifically, because when Sammy bought out SEGA they valued Sonic more for his image than the actual games, and so they took a hands off approach to copyright to help foster that image.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwTXCwqurNQ

ElementX Since: Jan, 2001
#75168: Aug 6th 2023 at 6:42:09 PM

[up] Wow that was a great watch. Really enlightening. Seems like a great channel in general, I'll have to keep my eye on this one.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#75169: Aug 6th 2023 at 7:21:21 PM

Semi-random, I'm learning to track chiptunes with the SMS/GG chip. Any Sonic songs that might sound nice in that style to cover?

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#75170: Aug 6th 2023 at 7:43:44 PM

I'd suggest the Forces and Frontiers BGMs. Esp the Classic sonic stages, if only because you can't possible do worse than SEGA did with those auditory abominations :V

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Aug 6th 2023 at 7:44:05 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#75172: Aug 7th 2023 at 7:44:20 AM

So...remember that Sonic and Friends trademark from a while back? And how we came to realize it's probably for something cutesy?

Looks like we were right. It's for a series exclusively on SEGA's TikTok!

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 7th 2023 at 11:14:09 AM

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#75173: Aug 7th 2023 at 7:48:39 AM

That sounds dreadful tbh

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#75174: Aug 7th 2023 at 8:10:00 AM

It's because it's in 3D...

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#75175: Aug 7th 2023 at 9:16:46 AM

They kinda remind me of Chao!

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