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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#74826: Jul 10th 2023 at 5:44:14 PM

Maybe the events of Superstars are so unmemorable to Amy that she'd prefer to flash back to the events of CD in Adventure instead.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#74827: Jul 10th 2023 at 11:00:30 PM

I know it was first mentioned when Origins Plus was new, but I feel there was a bit of missed opportunity in Amy's moveset. For the most part it's fine (even the lack of invincibility on her insta-shield variant, since she isn't shielding), but I'd have made the following changes to the Down+Attack command:

  • Charge, while stationary: Her Drop Dash thing could've just been her spin dash variant, by combining the Super Peel Out from the game she debuted in with a constant hammer attack. The mechanics would work the same as her current drop dash thing, except she wouldn't stop swinging the hammer.
  • While running: Hammer Jump, useful for exploration.
  • In midair: Spinning Hammer Attack, useful for cancelling horizontal momentum and attacking downwards.

Also, if there are some (Knuckles) paths that she can mostly navigate, and the only issue is vertical climbing, there could be some special springs at the base of the climbing sections where she gets propelled all the way up if she hits them with her hammer, like how she gets higher spring jumps in the Advance games if she hits them. That could add to the different routes through the games.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#74828: Jul 11th 2023 at 9:02:06 AM

The only thing I find weird about how they represent Amy nowadays is that, by making her Classic incarnation "just another member of the team," it basically renders her arc in Adventure kind of moot? Because now Amy was just apparently always competent and could fight on her own.

How did she captured by Metal Sonic if she's so competent now? The answer is don't fucking think about it and move on.

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Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#74830: Jul 11th 2023 at 9:39:24 AM

I mean, the alternative is not playing as Amy in classic style. Id rather not worry about the small details and just enjoy having another character.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Jul 11th 2023 at 12:39:35 PM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#74831: Jul 11th 2023 at 10:01:22 AM

I don't really care that much and agree, I'm just musing about it mostly.

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SoaringStarman Since: Jul, 2023
#74832: Jul 11th 2023 at 10:03:03 AM

Who do you guys consider to be part of the main cast of allies for Sonic? For me, I think it would be:

Shadow

Amy

Tails

Knuckles

Blaze

Silver

Rouge

Cream

Vector

Espio

Charmy

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#74833: Jul 11th 2023 at 10:16:51 AM

Depends on what you mean by main cast, tbh.

There's characters like Silver or Cream, for instance, who basically never show up to any meaningful degree in story games (Silver being "and also, he was there" incarnate), but almost never miss out on the spinoffs. Pretty much the Princess Daisys of the group.

And I'm not even sure what Sonic Team is doing with the Chaotix. They clearly like them, or at least I think so, but...

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 11th 2023 at 10:17:31 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#74834: Jul 11th 2023 at 10:17:54 AM

[up][up]Allies is a strong word for half of these guys. Sonic characters tend to keep themselves.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#74835: Jul 11th 2023 at 10:19:16 AM

Main cast is pretty definitively the following:

  • Tails, Amy, Knuckles
  • Shadow and Rouge

And closest allies are consistently the same above, minus Shadow. Cream next after Rouge, but there's a big gap before and after Rouge in terms of how likely someone is to show up.

Big has been showing up a lot more recently, but we'll see where that goes.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Jul 11th 2023 at 12:20:38 PM

SoaringStarman Since: Jul, 2023
#74836: Jul 11th 2023 at 10:25:14 AM

[up][up][up]Main cast, main character, prominent character, major character, etc. something like that. [lol]

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#74837: Jul 11th 2023 at 10:27:01 AM

Then Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and now Amy. Those are the core characters.

Everyone else is secondary or a villain/antagonist.

mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
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#74838: Jul 11th 2023 at 10:33:41 AM

Pariah talks about Sonic canon.

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SoaringStarman Since: Jul, 2023
#74839: Jul 11th 2023 at 10:47:47 AM

And I'm not even sure what Sonic Team is doing with the Chaotix. They clearly like them, or at least I think so, but...

Which is interesting, because in Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog, they include Vector and Espio along with other characters like Tails and Knuckles.

They could have chosen to use characters like Jet, Mighty, or Ray, yet ended up using Vector and Espio as opposed to anyone else.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screen_shot_2023_07_11_at_13053_pm.png

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#74840: Jul 11th 2023 at 10:56:14 AM

Mighty and Ray are apparently off-limits or something to non-classic works or...whatever. So why even bring them back Sega

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#74841: Jul 11th 2023 at 10:57:05 AM

I wouldn't've expected to see guys like Jet or Ray who, Ray's very recent exception in Mania besides, are very limited to very specific spinoffs or eras and never appear outside of them.

SoaringStarman Since: Jul, 2023
#74842: Jul 11th 2023 at 11:04:09 AM

[up]Ah, so Ray is more limited than Vector and Espio are. That's interesting.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#74843: Jul 11th 2023 at 11:08:52 AM

I don't imagine Amy considers someone like Jet a friend.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#74844: Jul 11th 2023 at 11:09:09 AM

IIRC Charmy and Cream were considered for the Murder game but it was decided they were too young.

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SoaringStarman Since: Jul, 2023
#74845: Jul 11th 2023 at 11:11:06 AM

[up]Which puts it into perspective, since Tails is 8.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#74846: Jul 11th 2023 at 11:11:39 AM

Vector made it into boom on Sega's request, and they gave him his own team in Team Sonic Racing for some reason, Sega loves that guy.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#74847: Jul 11th 2023 at 11:12:41 AM

[up]Not enough to give the Chaotix their own game though.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#74848: Jul 11th 2023 at 11:16:35 AM

Yeah, it's weird. Sega loves Vector. He keeps showing up in stuff. But that line seems to stop at the Chaotix as a whole appearing in things, or at Vector having more than small gag roles.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 11th 2023 at 11:16:51 AM

SoaringStarman Since: Jul, 2023
#74849: Jul 11th 2023 at 11:20:19 AM

[up]Well Vector possibly might have had history with Sonic as part of the same band, so he has that claim to fame going for him.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/sonic_the_hedgehog_band.png

Edited by SoaringStarman on Jul 11th 2023 at 2:23:32 PM

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#74850: Jul 11th 2023 at 11:31:14 AM

Mstorzil, what is the TL;DR version of Pariah's video?

I'll admit the "Sonic stupid friends" and "We need to talk about Amy" videos have made me a bit skeptical of Pariah's arguments. It's not that I don't agree with his wishes, but it comes to a point where you wonder: Ok, the series is no longer moving forward. What exactly are we meant to do about it?

It's like the criticism about Spider-man comics. Yeah, it sucks Spidey can't grow anymore, but the smart choice would be to stop reading. I can only tolerate so much insults to the creative staff before it gets dull.

I wonder why he has been making these video essays rather than review Sonic Colors already.

Edited by Tomodachi on Jul 11th 2023 at 11:34:53 AM

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