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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#74576: Jun 30th 2023 at 3:13:51 PM

There's not exactly a point in saying the former because the IDW series picks up from where Forces left off.

I figure most people would be aware of that by now.

Edited by randomness4 on Jun 30th 2023 at 6:14:21 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#74577: Jun 30th 2023 at 3:17:35 PM

I mean, yeah. It's an adaptation. But being based solidly on a works canon and actually being canon to that work are very different things.

Again, that's what happened with Prime. The writers of Prime said the show takes place within the games canon, but the people who make Prime doesn't really have a say in that sort of thing (and in context, it reads more like them saying it actually uses the games canon as a basis anyway).

That said, actually looking it up, it does appear that the comment actually came from someone from Sega of America this time, rather than someone from IDW.

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#74578: Jun 30th 2023 at 3:23:28 PM

I thought that it was obvious that the IDW series is canon to the games, especially since it takes place after Sonic Forces and SEGA is more hands on with the IDW comics.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#74579: Jun 30th 2023 at 3:25:35 PM

Up until Frontiers, that's always been one sided, though. Even now, nothing that's ever happened in the comics has featured or been relevant to the games at all.

So before now it's never come off as canon to the games. Just that it's an adaptations that takes place in the game's universe. Like Agents of SHIELD, basically. Or - another good example - the MTV Spider-Man cartoon using the movies' continuity.

Hopefully with the recent comment, and with the vague mentions of comics characters we got in Frontiers, that might change in the future.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 30th 2023 at 3:26:30 AM

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#74580: Jun 30th 2023 at 3:26:10 PM

Vague? Doesn't Tangle outright get namedropped in Frontiers or did that just get memory holed?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#74581: Jun 30th 2023 at 3:28:01 PM

I called it vague because it's a single offhand reference without any context or explanation that you have to stand in a very specific unspecified spot to access. Most gamers wouldn't ever access it, and wouldn't have any idea what he's talking about if they did.

It's a vague Easter Egg, but it's not as substantial as - say - actually getting any context for who Tangle is. It's basically a safe reference that Sonic Team could throw in without needing to take any more effort on it.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 30th 2023 at 3:29:14 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#74582: Jun 30th 2023 at 4:02:46 PM

I don't know why anyone would want the games/IDW relationship to go both ways. Unless they straight up adapt the metal virus or something into a games story, it wouldn't mean anything.

And in general, needing external media to understand a story is a bad thing. Remember when in order to understand a plot point in the latest star wars movie, they forced you to play Fortnite?

Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#74583: Jun 30th 2023 at 4:04:52 PM

So that ideas and characters from the comics aren’t relegated to their niche and allowed to be shown in the mainline games.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#74584: Jun 30th 2023 at 4:15:00 PM

[up]Adding characters from the comics won't make the comics canon. More likely than not, they'd reintroduce the characters for a wider audience.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#74585: Jun 30th 2023 at 4:15:12 PM

[up]Bold to assume they'll use anything from the comics in a substantial capacity.

Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#74586: Jun 30th 2023 at 4:27:35 PM

[up][up] Ok, but the comics are canon now so.....

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#74587: Jun 30th 2023 at 4:29:01 PM

I would have thought that Sally Acorn wouldn't be hard to add to the games. Since Sally has been in SatAM, in Archie Sonic comics, in Sonic Spinball, in Sonic The Comic and in the Ladybird book Sonic the Hedgehog and the Silicon Warriors.

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#74588: Jun 30th 2023 at 5:08:19 PM

The word "Canon" and its colloquial usage have been a disaster for nerds on the internet.

Edited by KuroBaraHime on Jun 30th 2023 at 8:09:34 AM

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#74589: Jun 30th 2023 at 5:18:27 PM

[up][up][up]They aren't until Sonic Team says they are.

Or if the games do something with them.

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#74590: Jun 30th 2023 at 5:19:10 PM

I'll be a bit more invested in the idea of the IDW comics being canon to the game series if that concept means more than a few name drops in the mainline releases and comic figures popping up in the mobile titles.

As is, its like Metal Gear Portable Ops to the rest of the Metal Gear Solid timeline; technically something that happened but seemingly not very important.

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#74591: Jun 30th 2023 at 6:47:33 PM

Hey kkhohoho, your argument of "Eggman is portrayed different, therefore it's not canon" is not valid when half the cast's characterization isn't consistent between games.

Or are we going to pretend the overly serious Eggman from 06, the clown from Riders, or the somewhat serious threat (but not really) in Forces have the same characterization?

And this isn't really talking about Tails and Knuckles, or Amy.

Again, it's not that serious - this series isn't that serious about it. And I sincerely doubt anything from IDW (plot points) will be seen in the games the same way we barely see any plot point from the games in other games. Hell, every plot point the games leave hanging (Shadow and Omega carrying Metal, Blaze being sealed in another dimension, etc) end up being aborted.

Edited by Tomodachi on Jun 30th 2023 at 6:49:32 AM

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#74592: Jun 30th 2023 at 8:14:53 PM

The amount of mental and emotional damage the word "canon," has done to nerds on the Internet should probably be studied.

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#74593: Jun 30th 2023 at 8:36:28 PM

Depending on the discussion, I have no reason to use the word "canon" off of this website.

The word is so misused that I legitimately dislike seeing it pop up so much.

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#74594: Jun 30th 2023 at 10:43:28 PM

I guess the real issue here is if the IDW comics are canon to the games, then when did the events in the IDW comics happened in the game canon? Like, we know so far that the IDW comics took place after Sonic Forces, but after that, where do the other stories fall in? Like do they take place before Sonic Frontiers or after Sonic Frontiers? I think those are the type of questions that the fandom is asking right now.

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#74595: Jun 30th 2023 at 10:44:24 PM

IDW stuff also appeared in one background of tMoStH, at the very end of the game.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#74596: Jul 1st 2023 at 12:31:43 AM

[up][up] Literally between Forces and Frontiers.

The comic have not caught up to the game timeline until the moment they introduce Sage to the cast. It's not that complicated.

It's not like the games make direct callbacks to their predecesor plots either. All we know of the game timeline is that Forces happens, an undertermined amout of time later Frontiers happens, and then another undetermined amount of time later Murder happens.

Edited by MrSeyker on Jul 1st 2023 at 12:32:27 PM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#74597: Jul 1st 2023 at 7:42:33 AM

Considering that Archie spent like two years adapting Unleashed and then the comic ended, I doubt they'll do any direct game adaptations anymore. Maybe they'll do what they did for SA 2 where they showed you a few pages of the games plot and then told you to play it yourself.

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#74598: Jul 1st 2023 at 9:20:45 AM

The new update for Frontiers included deceleration sliders in the game settings menu, and new game plus allowing us to carry over all our skills, which leads to some crazy new consequences for Frontiers speedrunning strats.

Edited by VeryMelon on Jul 1st 2023 at 12:28:50 PM

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#74599: Jul 1st 2023 at 11:16:41 AM

To be fair with the Sonic Unleashed adaptation, SEGA's relationship with Archie was going downhill, so they probably wanted to pull the rug out from Archie as quick as possible due to the lawsuit, which led to the comic being cancelled prematurely. I don't know if SEGA wants to do more game adaptations for the IDW comics at this point.

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#74600: Jul 1st 2023 at 12:04:02 PM

Eh, that's unrelated. Unleashed adaptation was very slow because the staff used the adaptation as an excuse to set up multiple plot points in world building.

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