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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#74551: Jun 28th 2023 at 7:51:11 PM

Lowart did a part 3 of his Sonic Comic retrospective weeks ago. This part covers and reviews all the Echidna lore Ken Penders wrote from a storytelling perspective. He did an earlier video separate from the comic retrospective that was purely making fun of how all of the new Echidna characters were just clones of Knuckles visually.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#74552: Jun 28th 2023 at 7:58:31 PM

to be fair to the latter, its not like the Hedgehogs look that different between each other. Even younger Amy looks like Sonic.

But then again, all but Finitvius being red, while also precedented, is still gonna look derivative even by those standards

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Jun 28th 2023 at 7:59:54 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#74553: Jun 28th 2023 at 8:50:21 PM

[up][up][up] He said that was part of it; the dialogue was there but not the visuals/gameplay to go with it.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#74554: Jun 29th 2023 at 2:52:23 AM

[up][up] Tikal was orange, her dad was maroon, and other echidnas were magenta tho.

Still, Kenders' designs were... weird.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#74557: Jun 29th 2023 at 7:39:59 AM

Regardless of which media is used they make most Echidnas in the stories are red.

Edited by neoamon on Jun 29th 2023 at 3:40:44 PM

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Grounder Main Character Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Main Character
#74558: Jun 29th 2023 at 7:53:24 AM

Given that the only two game Echidnas we've seen that aren't from Knuckles' ancient clan are (at best) dubiously canon, yeah?

Even Pachacamac is a very brown red, which leaves Tikal as the sole unambiguous outlier.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#74559: Jun 29th 2023 at 8:07:01 AM

Penders also introduced a character who was just espio wearing a hat, so I think it's fair to say he's not creative with designs.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#74560: Jun 29th 2023 at 8:24:00 AM

I geniunely thought that was Espio under an alias.

Man, Sonic Heroes dead last hurts me a bit.

Edited by Tomodachi on Jun 29th 2023 at 8:25:15 AM

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#74561: Jun 29th 2023 at 8:27:46 AM

The power of poorly set up fight scenestongue

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#74562: Jun 29th 2023 at 10:20:21 AM

There are rumors that Surge is planned to be in one of the mobile games. Don't be too excited, as characters in Forces were planned but scrapped, like a Valentine's version of Tails.

The same source claims there will be Lego variations of Sonic , Tails, Amy and Eggman; an alt version of Infinite named "Warlock Infinite" (I'm thinking of Moro from DBS for some reason), and one of Knuckles named "Mummy Knuckles", so expect them in Halloween; and Classic Super Sonic.

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diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#74563: Jun 29th 2023 at 10:26:19 AM

<Google searches "Espio In A Hat" >

...Was the "original character, do not steal" meme was made specifically for Penders? [lol]

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#74564: Jun 29th 2023 at 11:41:54 AM

As a kid I thought this random echidna nurse in issue #117 was Tikal.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jun 29th 2023 at 2:42:14 PM

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#74565: Jun 29th 2023 at 11:42:04 AM

No, it was prolly made for sonic OCs in general. Penders was just the guy that somehow managed to put his in canontongue

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#74567: Jun 29th 2023 at 12:05:12 PM

Including the malevolent God of death? Yea, that Fadel why do you ask?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#74568: Jun 29th 2023 at 12:07:18 PM

Just knew I recognized the name from somewhere.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#74569: Jun 29th 2023 at 12:08:49 PM

He's probably dead by now. The one we see is a copy

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#74570: Jun 30th 2023 at 6:10:00 AM

[up]x8: well, we know Classic Super Sonic is real because they announced him in Sonic Central 2023.

But yeah, let's pump the brakes before we get ahead of ourselves. Unless we see official art renders and teases from social media, then we can un-pump the brakes.

Speaking of echidnas, Sonic Channel has our favorite echidna as the center of their monthly artwork for July!

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#74571: Jun 30th 2023 at 6:57:41 AM

Oh, the one standing next to Tails' Rhythm Badge?

Tony-Sharx Megalodons are the best kind of furry. from ACME Nation Since: Mar, 2020
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#74572: Jun 30th 2023 at 2:44:32 PM

IDW just got confirmed to be canon to the series for, what seems like the third time by one of the other Lore Managers not named Ian Flynn.

Twitterbase just broke out into a civil war because of it, as expected.

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#74573: Jun 30th 2023 at 2:52:47 PM

I can only imagine some annoying people I met having a sissy fit in their corner.

Other than that, people are taking that status too serious. It's not a big deal.

Edited by Tomodachi on Jun 30th 2023 at 3:00:22 AM

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#74574: Jun 30th 2023 at 3:07:49 PM

[up]With how differently Eggman is portrayed compared to most of the games, it's not that canon.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#74575: Jun 30th 2023 at 3:12:09 PM

IDW just got confirmed to be canon to the series for, what seems like the third time by one of the other Lore Managers not named Ian Flynn.

To be clear, it this "someone from IDW says the comic uses the games' canon," or "someone actually from Sonic Team says the comics are canon to the games"?

The former is what happened with Prime, iirc, followed by everyone online exaggerating the hell out of it. I've basically never seen the latter happen.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 30th 2023 at 3:12:22 AM


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