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magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#74526: Jun 25th 2023 at 3:48:32 PM

@Black Yakuzu The reason 06 is seen as a gold standard for Shadow was because it was a fantastic culmination of his Character Development in the franchise….before the Colors Era derailed him into Diet Vegeta.

06 had a Shadow who successfully dealt with his inner demons, growing into an unambigously morally good Anti-Hero with a genuinely unnerving perceptiveness that made him really difficult to manipulate (a rarity among good guys).

Think Type 2.5 anti hero, something we don’t get very much of, if ever.

It was one of the few redeeming traits of an awful trash fire of a game.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#74527: Jun 25th 2023 at 4:49:48 PM

Unfortunately it left him with nowhere to go if he ever came back...

Which is why he turned into diet Vegeta.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#74528: Jun 25th 2023 at 5:15:39 PM

[up][up]The only game I feel where this is true is Team Sonic Racing. He doesn't do anything in Generations outside of telling you what a homing shot is, and when he shows up in Forces, he's very much a good guy, going on his own path.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#74529: Jun 25th 2023 at 6:02:55 PM

Well he's also not handled well in Free Riders but...no one was in that game, so hey it's fine.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#74530: Jun 25th 2023 at 7:24:06 PM

Generations Shadow is funny. It’s explicitly not past Shadow, but present Shadow you fight in the boss battle, but his whole reason for doing so is basically “well, I don’t know what’s going on, but if fate is giving me an excuse to throw hands, then who am I do disagree…”

He clearly isn’t maliciously fighting Sonic, seeing as he joins in the Sonic cheerleader squad, but you still have to indulge his nostalgic competitiveness to get the Chaos Emerald.

I don’t remember much about TRS Shadow (or really anything about that plot), but I remember liking Free Riders Shadow, though I might be in the minority there.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 25th 2023 at 7:26:58 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#74531: Jun 25th 2023 at 8:20:32 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] I never said it wasn't, I'm just tired of hearing about it and Shadow fans crying foul whenever he shows up and he doesn't act like he does in 06, it's exhausting.

And as mentioned, he essentially peaks as a character there. You can't just do 06 constantly and expect the same result and this is something people never think about when they complain about and it absolutely drives me up the wall.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#74532: Jun 25th 2023 at 9:04:16 PM

[up][up]I think Shadow and Rouge being insanely callous to this random robot is funny, but I get why people think it's out of character. Good thing Omega wasn't in that game.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#74533: Jun 26th 2023 at 12:49:29 AM

I doubt they'd have treated Omega that way if only because he would never tolerate it and would make that opinion known with a lot of bullets and missiles.

Edited by windleopard on Jun 26th 2023 at 9:22:15 AM

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#74534: Jun 26th 2023 at 1:01:41 AM

I doubt Omega would get to compete in hoverboarding anyways because he'd actually kill some of the competitors.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#74535: Jun 26th 2023 at 1:21:52 AM

I don't think he'd want to unless they were Eggman or other Eggman robots.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#74536: Jun 26th 2023 at 1:23:30 AM

That's what I was getting at.

neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#74537: Jun 26th 2023 at 2:27:00 PM

He would probably wait till after the race to destroy Robotnik's robots, because he would use the race to prove that he is the greatest of Robotnik's robots at racing.

"May your heart be your guiding key"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#74538: Jun 26th 2023 at 2:33:50 PM

I think Free Riders was just super focused on being funny first and foremost. There's a lot of character-exaggeration-for-humor in that one, and Shadow and Rouge being way more dickish than usual is part of it.

I do think it's genuinely funny - to the point where it's the only time I've found some of the characters' gags at the time (like Vector being broke or Amy being obsessed with Sonic) funny at all - but... yeah. It's still character exaggeration, and you wouldn't want it to be the norm.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#74539: Jun 26th 2023 at 2:38:51 PM

What if they're not Eggman or Eggman's robots but are working for Eggman?

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#74540: Jun 26th 2023 at 2:46:07 PM

"Eggman is in the sentence, destruction is assured." Or something like that.

Grounder Main Character Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#74541: Jun 26th 2023 at 3:12:40 PM

"Query: What mad automaton would WANT to work with Eggman?"

Goros Since: Nov, 2021
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#74543: Jun 27th 2023 at 7:48:45 PM

If anyone is curious about a fighting game fan's opinion on Sonic The Fighters, here's a 15 minute video that will satisfy that curiosity.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#74544: Jun 28th 2023 at 10:44:31 AM

A Bumblekast mentioned that Ian's idea for Hyper Sonic in Frontiers was to have the Ancients and Koco lend all their energy and power to boost Super Sonic's state into Hyper, letting them avenge their deaths and provide a reason why Hyper couldn't show up again cause they used up everything they had to do it.

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
Mr
#74545: Jun 28th 2023 at 11:33:58 AM

My idea for Hyper Sonic is that it requires both the Master and the Chaos Emeralds, with the Chaos Emeralds enlarged by the Master Emerald into the size of Super Emeralds that means that the Chaos Emeralds are at full power. However the Chaos can only be transformed into their full powers in the Emerald chamber in the Hidden Palace Zone. Making it hard for Sonic and friends to unlock.

"May your heart be your guiding key"
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#74546: Jun 28th 2023 at 1:02:15 PM

[up] Someone Remembered Nazo Unleashed, it seems. wink

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#74547: Jun 28th 2023 at 1:33:35 PM

So I'm going to do a bit of research. I found the oldest Sonic fanfic involving Shadow, at least in Fanfiction.net. Shadow's story, it was released in 2002, just before Heroes even debuted.

It appears to just be a prequel to Adventure 2.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
Mr
#74548: Jun 28th 2023 at 1:41:05 PM

[up][up]Incorrect I haven't watched Nazo. In Sonic The Comic once all the Chaos Emeralds are brought together on the Floating Island they turn into Super Emeralds size Emeralds and stay that size for the rest of the Comic.

Speaking of Sonic The Comic the online version had someone point out that if you just count the years that Shadow has been active then Shadow is around Cream and Charmy's age, just a kid.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#74549: Jun 28th 2023 at 4:36:58 PM

[up]I thought the 50 years of imprisonment was an And I Must Scream situation. Also, I'm pretty sure he was Born as an Adult

mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
Crimson Helios
#74550: Jun 28th 2023 at 5:35:33 PM

[up]x6

You know, that makes me wonder if that's the reason Sonic says what he says before the true final boss.

Edited by mstorzil on Jun 28th 2023 at 5:36:26 AM

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