I think people are considering any type of aggression she shows to be tsundere...which isn't accurate.
Yeah, she was just kind of mean...but it's never done to save face or avoid showing her true feelings.
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I'm pretty sure Amy has MULTIPLE different mods which experiment with different playstyles, all more innovative than what Origins gave her.
How easy it is to implement has nothing to do with why I said they didn't do it.
It's not that it's difficult to give her some new innovative playstyle, it's that it absolutely isn't the type of game where they would want to do that in the first place.
It's important to remember that Origins is, first and foremost, a collection of ports. It's not trying to be innovative or change the scope of any of those games: they're not intending to wow us all with "a new Sonic game with a whole new playstyle starring Amy." Her being about as basic as they come makes sense for what Origins actually is.
Which is why we're more likely to see unique Amy stuff in Superstars: that's a game actually intended to do new things and explore new stuff with the characters.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 18th 2023 at 3:13:19 AM
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Okay, I'm sorry, but aside from that one cutscene, what is so terrible about Amy's writing in Heroes? Everyone keeps saying how the game ruined Amy's character. But aside from a single cutscene, Amy really wasn't bad in Heroes. If anything, her writing is an improvement over SA2 since she becomes the combat-capable hero she vowed to become at the end of her story in Adventure 1 (as opposed to a helpless girl who doesn't contribute until the very end), and even forms her own team whom she leads competently: directing them in a headstrong fashion and keeping Cream and Big's spirits high whenever they got doubts about their adventure.
I'm sorry...
I forgot to say the standard practice: Amy Rose in Sonic Heroes is probably the least obnoxious version of that era.
Probably not the very least.
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Well, all we've seen of Amy in Super Stars shows that she at least has the nerfed drop dash she got in Origins.
Edited by randomness4 on Jun 18th 2023 at 6:29:47 AM
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The thing is though is that the DLC is meant to offer new extras and features. It is similar to say, the original versions of the remakes offering Tails and Knuckles playable in games they weren't before and even adding new areas and secrets to those games to take advantage of their abilities.
The point of Origins compared to previous collections is that is meant to be enhanced versions of the old games which allow to play them in fresh new ways. This is where giving Amy a halfway innovative moveset would fit in perfectly since it could potentially spruce up the gameplay in an exciting way so it's not just a replay of the same game. It doesn't have to be a total change up from the normal game, but it has to offer something new.
It also stands in contrast to Knuckles in Sonic CD, which does seem to be utilising the same tradition of adding a character with a somewhat different gameplay style and even tweaking the game slightly to make their playthrough take advantage of that.
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Really EVERYONE is out of character in the battle cutscenes. Rouge suddenly becomes a hot head that starts a fight with the Chaotix because....they were there. Sonic couldn't care less if Shadow is alive and just wants to spar. The Rose vs Chaotix intro is just an ongoing escalation of both teams being rude and hostile to each other (though granted Amy also started that one
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And yeah, besides that Amy was actually pretty decently handled. She was climbing the ladder and even showing strong leader material, but it was through her usual bubbly characterisation.
Edited by Psi001 on Jun 18th 2023 at 11:57:50 AM
Exactly!! The "team battle cutscenes" are the most literal examples of Conflict Ball; having the characters inexplicably start fighting each other for the sake of gameplay. They are in no way a serious display of the associated characters nor are they to be taken seriously. Yet so many people take Amy's "no way out of marrying me!" that seriously, and write off Heroes as her worst portrayal despite the decent/good writing the rest of the game provided to her. Like, by this same logic, why isn't Heroes!Rouge considered a violent psychopath for getting hostile with Team Chaotix for NO REASON?
And precisely lol Like, people praised the hell out of IDW!Amy for taking on a leader role, but Sonic Heroes was the very first that established that trait to Amy. And Heroes made Amy into a leader without taking away her bubbly and headstrong personality.
Well, no one's gonna say Sonic Heroes has good writing.
So there's also that.
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Anyway, Team Rose story is the weakest because none of the characters are interesting as a group. They just are a group for game purposes.
Edited by Tomodachi on Jun 18th 2023 at 5:31:16 AM
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.What really gets me about that ONE scene is that of all the team fights in the game, that one should have the most justifiable reason to escalate into a fight (Team Rose's only clue is "Sonic" stealing Froggy and Chocola, and Team Sonic doesn't have any idea about that)
And yet that's exclusively relegated to in-battle dialogue (which you might not even hear if you're good at videogames and/or got some practice in Team Dark/Chaotix's stories first), with the cutscene exclusively revolving around Amy's motivation.
That's just how bad the Conflict Ball is, it actively made a narratively justifiable fight into an unjustifiable one.
It's just the problem with Team Rose story: only Amy has any agency, and the writer at the time was more busy with a Call-Back than to write a good scenario for Cream and Big to fight Sonic, Tails and Knuckles.
Because why bother writing when you can make a Call-Back instead.
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Really though, I did end up enjoying some of their interactions, Amy and Cream obviously became iconic in games afterward, and even Big gets some cute Big Brother Instinct moments. Hell one of the better character moments in those Conflict Ball cutscenes is Big sticking up for Cream after Chaotix get antsy with her.
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That seems like the kind of opinion held by people that prefer the post Generations continuity-less games.
Like I get what you're going for, but the phrasing makes it come off as someone that thinks continuity is a curse out of context.
Edited by MorningStar1337 on Jun 18th 2023 at 6:08:09 AM
Honestly, the team battles in Heroes don't really bother me at all. Yeah, the cutscenes before them are short and drive the characters into conflict quickly, but they don't really read to me as something to take that seriously. The mid-battle dialogue that gives extra context and post-battle dialogue at the start of the next level that often talks about details we didn't directly see (like Cream saying Sonic pretended to be defeated so he could run away) makes me imagine the events as going down a bit differently from what we literally see in the in-game boss fights.
At some point any problems with it are less about how it's written and more about how it's structured. Heroes is generally light on plot and quick-to-the-point in cutscenes because it's trying to structure itself more like the simpler 2D games.
I consider Heroes the Franchise Original Sin in many regards to the storytelling (if the Adventure games aren't that already). Some clear signs of decay but it's not too aggravating just yet. X and the later games would Flanderize that to high heaven.
Edited by Psi001 on Jun 18th 2023 at 2:19:42 PM

It has nothing to do with tsunderes...and Amy isn't even one.
It's definitely more of a reference to old Theatrical cartoons than any Anime, because that's the vibe Sonic the Fighters was going for.
Edited by randomness4 on Jun 18th 2023 at 3:34:17 PM
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