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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#74001: Jun 8th 2023 at 2:20:32 PM

SEGA could do with a NSMB type of series just to maintain some consistency...

Though they should only add DLC to the 3rd/4th one.

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#74002: Jun 8th 2023 at 2:24:37 PM

NSMB is the worst thing to look at when it comes to making spinoffs.

If you think SEGA has a Green Hill obsession now, hoo boy.

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#74003: Jun 8th 2023 at 2:24:48 PM

[up]x3

I can only hope it doesn’t went down the route of repeated world and boss concepts.

New Super Mario Bros. as a series caught flak for reusing too many ideas within a few years. They are great games individually, but as a series, it either needs improvement with genuine additions and shake-ups while retaining the basic but beloved gameplay, or leave it behind.

Fang “Nack” the Sniper coming back for real, possibly alongside Bark and Bean, is an awesome surprise!

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#74004: Jun 8th 2023 at 2:28:52 PM

As of now, only Fang shows up.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#74005: Jun 8th 2023 at 2:30:44 PM

New Sonic the Hedgehog

Green Hill, Chemical Plant, Sky Sanctuary, A city level, Death Egg [lol]

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#74006: Jun 8th 2023 at 2:42:41 PM

People can complain about the reusage of Green Hill all they want...

But it's weird thinking that having simple, easy to churn out games means they'd do everything Nintendo would.

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#74007: Jun 8th 2023 at 2:45:51 PM

[up]You really think they wouldn't?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#74008: Jun 8th 2023 at 2:51:15 PM

They literally can...

But Sonic's not exactly bound by the same rules as Mario.

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mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
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#74009: Jun 8th 2023 at 2:52:59 PM

This turning into New Sonic the Hedgehog would make my already high indifference jump to unbelievably extreme levels. I'll admit, unlike Sonic there was a time I actually liked the classic Mario games. But then when about 85% of the series ended up being just that... Yeah, calling them dull and monotonous would be way too nice. Thank goodness we now have stuff like Odyssey, Rabbids, Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi (Granted though, the last 2 were remakes), 3D World + Bowser's Fury, etc.

Edited by mstorzil on Jun 8th 2023 at 2:54:21 AM

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#74010: Jun 8th 2023 at 2:53:54 PM

Sonic Superstars 2 will have the Deadly Six. But this time, they'll be beloved. Until the later games use them too damn much lol

Sonic Superstars 4 will have a Tails Superstars game where instead of Sonic, the fourth character is a Roller. Sally will be playable but she and Amy can't be in a coop run together. Sally would also have a power up unique only to her.

Sonic Superstars 3's gimmick will be collecting rings to fill the ring meter and go Super. It's the worst one.

[down]Yes lol

Edited by NoName999 on Jun 8th 2023 at 2:56:50 AM

mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
Crimson Helios
#74011: Jun 8th 2023 at 2:56:11 PM

Is that 3rd one a jab at NSMB 2 and it's crazy abundance of coins?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#74012: Jun 8th 2023 at 2:57:31 PM

I don't think 4 games counts as 85% of a series' output...

But we gotta exaggerate how bad it was.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#74013: Jun 8th 2023 at 2:58:07 PM

With Superstars coming out, putting Amy in Origins makes a lot of sense.

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#74014: Jun 8th 2023 at 3:12:13 PM

[up][up]NSMB did do irreversible damage to Mario's aesthetics, though.

Even now we're not totally free from it.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#74015: Jun 8th 2023 at 3:19:27 PM

When people compare NSMB to the "3D" games...I have to question what it is that they're seeing.

Despite such over saturation, Mario has not exactly degraded in its visuals due to them existing. It became a crutch, but wasn't guaranteed in anything important.

Sonic has a higher risk of degradation because of its refusal to come up with original level themes after Sonic Generations.

But they don't seem to have such a problem right now with what they've shown of Super Stars at reveal.

Edited by randomness4 on Jun 8th 2023 at 6:20:25 AM

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#74016: Jun 8th 2023 at 3:20:54 PM

[up][up] I almost wonder if Amy in Sonic Origins Plus is actually a foreshadowing of this...

And hey, I'm probably crazy, but what if this does something to rock the Sonic lore like becoming the missing link to the classic and modern eras?

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#74017: Jun 8th 2023 at 3:21:30 PM

[up][up]NSMB was fine the first time around, too.

And then it became a series, like SEGA wants to do, here.

Call me a cynic, but the writing is already on the wall, IMO.

Edited by Grounder on Jun 8th 2023 at 3:21:38 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#74018: Jun 8th 2023 at 3:25:01 PM

Had Sonic 4 continued to be the consistently released 2D series, that reaction would be warranted.

Though 4 player co-op is at least something.

Edited by randomness4 on Jun 8th 2023 at 6:25:32 AM

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#74019: Jun 8th 2023 at 3:32:50 PM

WMG, but maybe this is the reason we didn't get Sonic Mania 2.

SEGA wanted a fancy co-op game with modern graphics and touch-ups and Whitehead and co didn't want to do that.

BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#74020: Jun 8th 2023 at 3:36:27 PM

Honestly I think I'm just quietly excited about Classic Sonic both continuing and seemingly evolving in its own way. It looks like a far more novel exploration of platforming elements than Sonic 4, and having multiple characters right off the bat is encouraging.

Does make me wonder if getting Amy in Origins Plus was essentially a primer for what she's doing here, especially given the similarity in moveset.

Also between Robo Blast 2, Triple Trouble 16 bit, Sonic Galactic and now this? Fang/Nack fans are eating well.

Edited by BorneAgain on Jun 8th 2023 at 6:39:44 AM

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#74021: Jun 8th 2023 at 3:56:43 PM

So Classic Sonic is just the 2D series now huh

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BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#74022: Jun 8th 2023 at 4:07:26 PM

[up]I've had a sense that Sega still sees value in Classic as a sub-brand and a continuation of that is likely seen as a safer bet than another Advance or Rush style release. It is unfortunate that the divide between the two spheres of the franchise is still intact (and so defined by 2D vs. 3D) but it almost feels like an inevitability of development costs and general risk aversion by Sega these days.

Edit: One of the descriptions on the website suggests the new Ohshima designed character is an adversary:

Navigate gorgeous, never-before-seen environments solo or with up to 3 other players and stop Dr. Eggman, Fang, and a mysterious new adversary from converting the islands' giant animals into Badniks before it's too late!

So dealing with Eggman, Fang, and a new enemy? One might say Sonic and pals are dealing with quite the... Triple Trouble.

Edited by BorneAgain on Jun 8th 2023 at 7:10:59 AM

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#74023: Jun 8th 2023 at 4:11:34 PM

It's nice to see Sega finally moving the 2D games past Green Hill rehashes, but I need to see more gameplay footage before I make any judgements. Most of my issues with Sonic's modern 2D segments stem from clunky physics and blocky level design, and the trailer focused more on features and aesthetics than mechanics. That said, saving the technical stuff for later is probably a good call for an announcement/teaser trailer.

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#74024: Jun 8th 2023 at 4:12:43 PM

If they're trying to make a whole Classic Sonic brand, then promoting Amy to playable was arguably the best decision they ever made.

Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles have subtle changes in body size between Classic and Modern. It's most visible in 3-D spaces, especially when Classic and Modern counterparts are standing next to each other for comparison. But Classic-style games are of course going to be 2-D.

But Amy's entire aesthetic changed dramatically between CD and Sonic Adventure. So you can instantly peg whether you're looking at the Classic- or Modern-style characters with one glance at Amy's look.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 8th 2023 at 4:13:46 AM

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#74025: Jun 8th 2023 at 4:23:23 PM

Plus ya know, girl.

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