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Tony-Sharx Megalodons are the best kind of furry. from ACME Nation Since: Mar, 2020
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#73826: May 28th 2023 at 9:53:43 PM

I'll say. I've noticed they've been getting more and more in your face from all the momentum built from the movies all the way to Frontiers. I thought the line would stop at tearing Ken Penders to shreds on his personal Twitter threads. But now that's bled into challenging Ian Flynn under his Bumblekast videos and wishing death on him.

Shit's kinda crazy right now.

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#73827: May 28th 2023 at 9:54:41 PM

He's a dick because he's an introvert with disdain for people. Just like Seto Kaiba, Vegeta, or me. Ok, not like me, I'm not athletic or professional.

I believe I left the Twitter mob as of yesterday when people started using religion to attack people. That's my final straw. Then again, Twitter has been suspending people because Lord Musk sucks at his job.

[up] The worst part is I know that guy. An edgelord with a "cute" furry avatar.

Edited by Tomodachi on May 28th 2023 at 9:59:31 AM

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Tony-Sharx Megalodons are the best kind of furry. from ACME Nation Since: Mar, 2020
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#73828: May 28th 2023 at 10:24:52 PM

Tearing Penders a verbal new one never ceased to bring a smile to my face, I'll admit. I just genuinely don't understand the Ian hate, especially from Archie fans. I read the Archie comics during my youth too, but I didn't shed a tear when Archie's license went kaput. They had it coming. Archie, and to a lesser extent SEGA, fumbled the lawsuits and it was Archie who hired Ken to begin with. I'd rather Archie lose its grip on the Sonic narrative than risk them trusting another egomaniac, although Ian Flynn is far from being that maniac.

Ian is not this comic mastermind like Penders sought to be and he clearly explains that in the Bumblekast. But it's like the hivemind has it set that he won't write Shadow well, or he won't ship Son Amy, or he won't bring back the Freedom Fighters and that the mandates don't exist. It's weird enough when the Sonic Twitter really/not really contradicts him on an insignificant piece of lore, it's just a bit maddening watching the hivemind come down on him like a whole ass family of piranhas because of it.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73829: May 28th 2023 at 10:36:49 PM

A company hired a guy typically isn't charismatic evidence...

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#73830: May 29th 2023 at 8:18:14 AM

These are my observations regarding where the "hate" towards Flynn comes from.

As You Know, the Sonic fandom is fractured into its own subcultures. Flynn appeals mostly to the Western community, who grew with Western Sonic and Game Sonic. However, not all Game Sonic fans like Western Sonic. Sonic is "fundamentally a Japanese franchise", quoting Pariah, and the characters are written following Japanese archetypes and characterization.

So the biggest critics of the community are "Weebs", fans who have a purist mindset with the rodent. Because Flynn characterization isn't exactly the same as the Japanese, this annoys these users. In my observation, the critics have been Mecha fans (Yakuzu once shared the review of one here) or female anime fans.

Of course, they aren't the only critics. There is a minority of fans who despise Flynn...because they like Kenders work, and feel Flynn's work is overrated. The other critics blame Flynn for the reboot and eventual cancellation of Archie. Or there are stubborn Sonic fans who loathe him because he "betrays their headcanon or ship". Many Amy fans despise him just because he doesn't care as much as them about Amy, and he likes Sally.

There are the saner fans, who are just critical of his writing quirks that feel are shallow and fan-servicy.

As of now, I haven't seen much criticism for Evan Stanley or Daniel Barnes, especially as Scrapnik Island has an positive reception.

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#73831: May 29th 2023 at 8:52:46 AM

I know I'm usually the one who loves talking down about Sonic fans and their insanity, but I don't see much of a reason to bring it up now. People like different things about Sonic and can be very defensive about those things when they feel threatened. After three decades, it's inevitable.

I think it’s better to just focus on the products themselves as opposed to the reactions from the fans at this point.

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#73832: May 29th 2023 at 8:54:34 AM

Yeah, fandom culture nowadays is pretty volatile for no good reasons.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#73833: May 29th 2023 at 8:55:34 AM

My biggest criticism of Ian is that his pacing leaves something to be desired. The metal virus arc is such a dynamite premise and yet some how it grinds to a halt and slogs at the end with the villain role being reshuffles to the Yetis.

And then after that four trade arc there's another four trade arc that is really ill defined by what's happening. You've got sonic missing and amnesiactic, the Yetis defeated but on the loose, the plot trying to justify Starline's next move, the introduction of Belle, and a bunch of little side stories.

The pay off is absoloutoy amazing once Surge and Kit finally rock up, but it's such a long winding path.

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#73834: May 29th 2023 at 9:42:27 AM

I don't have any issues with Amy and don't find her characterization to be ill defined.

I just tend to tune out when things turn towards complaining about characterizations/gameplay elements/other Sonic fans you don't like.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#73835: May 29th 2023 at 9:43:01 AM

At least some of that grind might be due to Covid slowing things down. I recall issues stopped around issue 24 or 25, which is when Tangle got infected.

Right after that, the Zetit showed up and broke the seeming stalemate in that the situation became suddenly bad enough that Eggman had to change his strategy and work with Sonic to avoid things getting worse than they already were.

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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#73836: May 29th 2023 at 10:34:52 AM

So apparently those Calendar pictures Sonic Channel posts come with stories. Any idea where I can read them - especially in English?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73837: May 29th 2023 at 11:47:16 AM

[up][up][up]People typically only complain about things they don't like...

So that seems like a lot of fine tuning.

Edited by randomness4 on May 29th 2023 at 2:48:09 PM

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#73838: May 29th 2023 at 12:48:31 PM

Disregard.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on May 30th 2023 at 8:30:18 AM

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Goros Since: Nov, 2021
#73839: May 29th 2023 at 1:03:05 PM

[up]One Piece? This is the Sonic thread, or i'm missing something?

neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#73840: May 30th 2023 at 4:58:17 AM

Just because one version of Amy is someone's favourite does not mean that there is anything wrong with like other Amys or other people having other favourite Amys.

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#73841: May 30th 2023 at 5:30:04 AM

[up][up] I didn't even realize I posted in the wrong thread lmao.

Oops

[up]This is true but that's not gonna stop people from feeling that way.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on May 30th 2023 at 8:51:50 AM

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#73842: May 30th 2023 at 8:18:40 AM

Boom!Amy is goated though, she's a lot more entertaining without having to ditch her caring spirit.

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#73843: May 30th 2023 at 2:58:22 PM

Boom Amy is interesting for me. A problem Amy had is that her arc (gaining Sonic's approval) was ditched to turned her into a Comic Relief character whose whole joke is "I want Sonic to marry me". Even to the point she would mistake a hedgehog with Sonic because she couldn't control herself.

Boom Amy is, well, a bit complicated because her characterization depends on the episode. She is caring, she is smart, but is feminine, and so fort so fort. The major difference is that her crush for Sonic is hidden. Some critics say this is a betrayal of the character as Amy has always been open about her feelings. But when she isn't in open about her feelings in Boom?

The only times I feel she is "wrong" is when she is written as tired of everyone's nonsense like in, funny enough, a Flynn episode.

Edited by Tomodachi on May 30th 2023 at 2:59:36 AM

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#73844: May 30th 2023 at 4:22:50 PM

A problem Amy had is that her arc (gaining Sonic's approval) was ditched to turned her into a Comic Relief character whose whole joke is "I want Sonic to marry me"

Where, exactly?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73845: May 30th 2023 at 4:30:22 PM

From Sonic Adventure to Sonic Battle?

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#73846: May 30th 2023 at 4:36:49 PM

[up]The games where:

  • Her priority was defending a Flicky
  • She was The Heart, rescued Sonic same as Tails did, was in the background, and then tried to motivate Shadow to regain his compassion
  • She helped Big and Cream look for Froggy and Chocola
  • She wanted to prove herself as a mother in order to be a good partner to Sonic (which is back on that arc of seeking approval)

But all that was over a span of 4.5 years, ending 19 years ago.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on May 30th 2023 at 6:38:10 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73847: May 30th 2023 at 4:46:08 PM

Since Sonic Adventure 2 to Sonic Rush would be more accurate.

It was pretty much a joke that she was essentially the tag-along in Adventure 2, obviously she got to actually do stuff...but it's really minor and she doesn't do much else the rest of the time.

In Sonic Heroes, while pretty much a clear progression from her arc's resolution of Adventure, Sonic being half her motivation and ya know, the flimsy justification for the character battles didn't paint a great picture. Luckily it doesn't get much focus.

Sonic Battle is probably her worst portrayal...she may as well have been actually Yandere. Her motivation being entirely Sonic isn't that great. It only kinda helps that this is just a comedic story, not too terrible anime trope-ish.

She's fine in Shadow the Hedgehog, she doesn't do anything...same as the rest.

Sonic Rush is a...toned down version of the way she acted in Sonic Battle, not too great of an introduction. She's fine for the rest of the game, I guess.

Edited by randomness4 on May 30th 2023 at 7:55:20 AM

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#73848: May 30th 2023 at 4:48:51 PM

Can someone please give examples of the specific games where her whole character was "Marry me, Sonic!" comic relief?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73849: May 30th 2023 at 4:57:50 PM

No one can give you that...

I've always been of the blunt observation that outside of Sonic Heroes and Sonic Battle, her shtick doesn't ever come back after she's actually introduced to the story of a game/interacts with Sonic the first time.

The closest thing would be Sonic Generations' portrayal.

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#73850: May 30th 2023 at 5:02:16 PM

I wouldn't say its her whole character, but a not insignificant amount of time was dedicated to that joke. Enough for people to get sick of it and lead to the character retool she underwent in the 2010's where her feelings are more downplayed.

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