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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#73801: May 28th 2023 at 5:19:16 PM

So it's less of an offensive term, and is just outdated?

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#73802: May 28th 2023 at 5:40:56 PM

Amy used to be a plucky Genki Girl who wore her heart on her sleeve, someone who is highly enthusiastic and never runs out of energy. Now she's a generic girl character with no characteristic beyond being empathetic. And this is makes her a more well-rounded character? What the actual fuck.
To be blunt the former is just as generic of an archetype as the latter.

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#73803: May 28th 2023 at 5:47:38 PM

Amy's honestly a pretty shallow character. But I don't hold that against her because most of the Sonic cast are pretty shallow. This isn't Shakespeare.

Sonic smashes robots and has an attitude. Tails smashes robots and is really smart. Knuckles smashes robots and is stoic. Shadow smashes robots and scowls at everyone. Rouge smashes robots and lusts for treasure.

And Amy smashes robots and cares about cute critters.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 28th 2023 at 5:49:33 AM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73804: May 28th 2023 at 6:00:07 PM

Would it be more accurate to say Amy is currently "modern" Western generic as opposed to "retro" Japanese generic.

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#73805: May 28th 2023 at 6:22:26 PM

[up][up] You can say they're simple but shallow feels a little too derogatory. But I do generally agree.

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#73806: May 28th 2023 at 6:27:55 PM

Does Knuckles really count as stoic when he tends to gets angry and overreact often?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73807: May 28th 2023 at 6:46:55 PM

Well, in the best case scenario he would come across as stoic...

But that's the joke isn't it?

While Shadow and Blaze are actually stoic, Knuckles actually gets put off balance quite easily due to him temper and naivete.

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#73808: May 28th 2023 at 6:51:53 PM

Depends on the game.

In Adventure - 06, the whole joke with Knuckles’ acting, at least in English, is that he was a seemingly stoic and calm dude who was also a hothead at the same time.

That hasn’t been a thing since that voice actor stopped playing him, though. Nowadays he’s pretty brash and outspoken.

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#73809: May 28th 2023 at 7:04:17 PM

Knuckles strikes me as someone who thinks of himself as stoic but isn't particularly. Like he would tell a story about how he handled a situation in a calm and collected manner, when he was actually yelling and punching people.

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#73810: May 28th 2023 at 7:11:51 PM

[up]"Sonic, did you take the Master Emerald?" Knuckles asked calmly.

As far as Amy from a practical standpoint it feels like she has definitely shifted as a character, but unlike Knuckles or Tails (whose exaggerations and/or regressions have seemingly become too unpopular for the series to ignore) Amy's former personality doesn't appear to be as beloved by the broader public/wider fanbase for any major snap back to occur.

The combination of the being the sole female Sonic character not heavily de-emphasized after 06 and the semi-memetic reputation of her being a Sonic obsessed stalker meant that becoming more defined by generic competence was an easy sell to most of the audience outside the hardcore Adventure fans. Even when much of the more Eastern characterization of the cast is being more readily embraced now, that purely early to mid aughts depiction of Amy might have an uphill climb in coming back even with many fans trying to illustrate its nuances.

Edited by BorneAgain on May 28th 2023 at 10:24:42 AM

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#73811: May 28th 2023 at 7:20:39 PM

She seemed pretty close to her 2000s characterization in Murder Mystery and I haven't seen anyone complain about her there, so maybe it's not really that much of a challenge.

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#73812: May 28th 2023 at 7:21:24 PM

no no, it would be "'Sonic, did you take the Master Emerald?' Knuckles said calmly, his punches punctuating his every word with the tranquility of a serene warrior meditating beneath a waterfall."tongue

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#73813: May 28th 2023 at 7:21:59 PM

"Sonic, did you take the Master Emerald?" Knuckles punched calmly.

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#73814: May 28th 2023 at 7:22:07 PM

[up][up][up]True, though the real test will be the DLC in Frontiers and any big mainline games in the future she's in.

Edited by BorneAgain on May 28th 2023 at 10:22:21 AM

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#73815: May 28th 2023 at 7:54:06 PM

It's like that one guy said, just give it one more game...before Amy goes down the list.

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#73816: May 28th 2023 at 8:00:10 PM

Ok, as the guy who was an Amy hater for a long while, let's get this out of the way.

No one, nobody, and I mean anyone, hates Amy being energetic or cute or whatever. They hated the entitled romantic attitude she had where she was practically saying how much she wanted Sonic to kiss her and marry her.

The community from the look of things is absolutely fine with the way she was written in Murder because it's the 2000's attitude without the obnoxious "sonikku marry me you baka" attitude she had.

And before someone thinks I'm being unfair to Amy, I practically saw the entire of Sonic X in Japanese and know she isn't "Sonic marry me" all the time, as she had enough personality and depth for a character to be likeable. Season 3 was a minor disservice to her, which is a shame as she and Sonic are (apparently) a couple in there.

Edited by Tomodachi on May 28th 2023 at 8:04:19 AM

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#73817: May 28th 2023 at 8:10:52 PM

Well, it would also be helpful to understand that Amy's worst portrayal was in a not too notable spin-off.

Her worst portrayals aren't the majority, but they did make people dislike her more in hindsight.

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#73818: May 28th 2023 at 8:27:18 PM

The only reason there's such a dissonance with Amy is because no one seems to agree who she is. Seeing as Amy hasn't had a consistent personality all throughout this series, canon or not, it's safe to believe nobody has a thorough understanding of what her character is or what it's supposed to be.

It all just boils down to preference at this point.

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#73819: May 28th 2023 at 8:34:38 PM

I feel like the Frontiers DLC with playable Amy will make or break my opinion on her modern characterization.

It's hard to get a feel on her from her five seconds of dialogue in Lost World where she dies offscreen or from her as a talking head in Forces, but I think being able to play and do stuff as her will really give me a chance to see what she's all about now.

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#73820: May 28th 2023 at 8:39:17 PM

The same thing applies to Knuckles tbh. People say he is a "stoic, honor bound warrior" but that hardly reflects what's onscreen.

Sonic is kind-of in the same realm of TMNT at this point; where while there's broad roles that are consistent in all media (Sonic is fast, Tails is smart, Knuckles is strong, etc etc) the actual personality traits tend to vary.

A very heavy case of Depending on the Writer. These characters are written more based around what the plot requires than it being something like One Piece where characterization is built more organically into the plot and is steadily expanded over time.

Fans think that's what Sonic is, but it's not lmao.

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#73821: May 28th 2023 at 8:48:41 PM

Who could have thought a corporate mascot written by 6 people before Pontac would be inconsistent.

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#73822: May 28th 2023 at 8:49:47 PM

Way more than that probably...

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#73823: May 28th 2023 at 8:56:09 PM

[up][up][up]Yeah, broad strokes depictions pretty much are an inevitability for a series prone to the kind of changes Sonic Team/Sega tends to do. It allows for some variance in different media at least.

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#73824: May 28th 2023 at 8:58:07 PM

But then it becomes a concern since the fanbase is so hyper-fixated on what's "canon", it completely sucks the joy out of enjoying the series overall.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73825: May 28th 2023 at 9:03:05 PM

Which is why I just don't interact with the fanbase anymore. I'll let the Twitter mob argue about their favorite interpretations and which is "canon".

I will say, it does kind of screw over characters like Shadow, who debuted in the series with full character arcs that spanned multiple installments. Which have to all but be ignored in order to use him.

But then you have no context for why he's such a dick lol.

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