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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#73676: May 14th 2023 at 4:43:03 AM

[up]That was my idea with the Black Arms. Infinite would try to turn himself into an Animal-Black Arms hybrid only for it to turn Infinite into a Black Arms abomation looking even more monstrous than Devil Doom.

Edited by neoamon on May 14th 2023 at 12:43:24 PM

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#73677: May 14th 2023 at 5:54:23 AM

It's definitely a crack idea that won't happen but perhaps in a future issue, Dr. Starline's corpse is found and later resurrected by a depowered cloak wearing Infinite. Starline's revived self would resemble one of his beta designs (the one with a mechanical implant in his head wearing a red trenchcoat) and the two would plot revenge against Dr. Eggman with the heroes being caught in the crossfire.

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#73678: May 14th 2023 at 6:38:04 AM

White fur Doctor with mechanical implant sounds like Doctor Zachary. He fell from the Floating Island and became a cyborg.

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Rabbitearsblog Movie and TV Goddess from United States Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#73679: May 14th 2023 at 10:06:04 AM

I wonder if they would add in Dr. Starline to the games at some point? They already mentioned Tangle in Sonic Frontiers So it's possible that Starline might appear in the games at some point.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#73680: May 14th 2023 at 10:40:04 AM

Dunno. There's a pretty big gulf between Tangle being mentioned into a hidden throwaway voiceline and Sonic Team actually being willing to induct characters from third party media into their canon playground.

More likely if they want an animal-person villain, they'll just make a new one. I'm actually kind of expecting it at this point. It'd be a waste of Ian Flynn not to.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 14th 2023 at 10:40:42 AM

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#73681: May 14th 2023 at 11:09:10 AM

Not to mention Starline is...having an incurable illness of not-living-anymore.

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#73682: May 14th 2023 at 11:15:30 AM

It's like how they pretty much made Sage into Eggman's daughter instead of using Belle from the comics.

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#73683: May 14th 2023 at 11:15:59 AM

I will probably be a villain with white fur that is in the same group of animals as Echidnas and Platypus.

Following the four predecessors:

  • Doctor Zachary the First villain with white fur.
  • Doctor Finitevus the Second villain with white fur.
  • Imperator Ix the Third villain with white fur.
  • Doctor Starline the Fourth villain with white fur.

I don't know about you but I am sensing a pattern.

Edited by neoamon on May 14th 2023 at 7:17:13 PM

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#73684: May 14th 2023 at 11:31:44 AM

Flynn said that condition could be cured by future writers. Also, the comics aren't third party. Part of the shift from Penders et al and Archie (Pre-SGW) to Flynn, Stanley et al and IDW was Sega being a lot more hands on.

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#73685: May 14th 2023 at 11:33:52 AM

It's always fun to see the differences in the characters. Despite similar archetypes, they couldn't be more different.

It's interesting when you consider the comics and the games have used similar archetypes before the other but do it in different ways.

  • Sally and Blaze are both princesses who partake in the action. However, Sally is a love interest while Blaze's relationship with Sonic is purely platonic. Blaze also starts out as being more aloof than Sally.

  • Rouge and Fiona are femme fatales but Rouge is more on the side of the heroes while Fiona pulls a Face–Heel Turn.

  • Shadow and Scourge are both different takes on a "Dark Sonic", with Shadow becoming a hero while Scourge remains a villain.

Edited by windleopard on May 14th 2023 at 7:39:30 PM

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#73686: May 14th 2023 at 11:35:12 AM

I think the Sally and Blaze parts are cut off.

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#73687: May 14th 2023 at 11:41:02 AM

Sally in Archie is a princess with a brother. Sally in Fleetway is a reporter with a brother.

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#73688: May 14th 2023 at 11:51:10 AM

[up][up]

We can go deeper.

Sally is a guerrilla fighter trying to recover her kingdom from Robotnik's rule, and afterward, her duties vary between her kingdom or her friends. Blaze by contrast has the weight of the world on her shoulders due to her duty as a guardian, and due to always being alone. I think that's the key difference, Sally is a team-fighter, but Blaze is a loner.

Rouge is a catwoman-like thief, only interested in her materialistic needs; Fiona, because of her trauma of the world letting her rot for years, has disdain for people which is why she joins forces with Scourge, who is a Sonic who enjoys inflicting pain on others.

Shadow is a pure being, aloof and serious, motivated by tragedy and with disdain for humanity who took everything he ever knew away from him, and one of his goals is to prove he is real. Scourge, however, is a brat and bully who wants to get out of Sonic's shadow (similar to Metal Sonic) and to everyone kiss his feet, as he relishes in being evil.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#73689: May 14th 2023 at 12:18:13 PM

Scourge and Infinite would make a funny pair when you put it that way.tongue

Re IDW. Id think there is still too large a divide for any comic characters to appear in the game themselves beyond speed runner gachas. I get the impression that SEGA of Japan is very in the Only the Creator Does It Right mindset (the creator in this case being them despite the whole Ship of Thesius thing) and sees any western concepts as too unworthy for inclusion in their canon, even if they're willing to hire western writers like Pontaff and Flynn.

For that reason I'd suspect that they would instead have Flynn create new OCs under their watchful eyes before adapting the comics cast or the Freedom Fighters, Cosmonote  and Sticks despite owning those charterers, even without Penders' legal tantrums.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on May 14th 2023 at 12:18:51 PM

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#73690: May 14th 2023 at 2:13:53 PM

Casual reminder that SEGA of Japan has terrible leadership, highlighted by this handy-dandy little retrospect on the Saturn console.

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#73691: May 14th 2023 at 2:25:41 PM

[up]Casual reminder that the development of the Saturn was 30 years ago. It's an interesting fact, but are you trying to say all the same people behind Saturn development are the ones who set the culture for the Sonic franchise's internal synergy decades later?

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#73692: May 14th 2023 at 2:28:34 PM

yeah it is a bit of a strech to say that those guys still hold any major influence.

besides we all know it was the 06 devs that are responsible for the franchise's current statetongue

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#73693: May 14th 2023 at 2:39:47 PM
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#73694: May 14th 2023 at 3:04:51 PM

...Are you just imagining things to argue with?

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#73696: May 14th 2023 at 3:57:17 PM
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#73697: May 14th 2023 at 4:04:54 PM

Yeah, but Iizuka's promotion may change that.

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#73698: May 14th 2023 at 4:12:34 PM

When a mod says to drop something, drop it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 14th 2023 at 6:14:08 AM

You can't just say "perchance".
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#73699: May 14th 2023 at 4:42:32 PM

...So then...

I'm egregiously slow with Frontiers, and I'm just now going through Chaos Island. For an island with an active volcano, it feels a bit... bare compared to the two previous ones.

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#73700: May 14th 2023 at 4:44:32 PM

So, Odd-Eyes Von covers the Iron Dominion Arc of the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comics. You know, the story arc that was often stated to be the longest story arc in the Archie Comics.

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