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#73626: May 10th 2023 at 8:45:23 AM

I'd request a full Chao Garden game, but someone else seems to have beat them to ittongue

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#73627: May 10th 2023 at 8:57:40 AM

I just realized how big of a missed opportunity it was to have Team Chaotix be the stars of Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog given its premise is a literal detective story....

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#73628: May 10th 2023 at 9:23:19 AM

An actual Team Chaotix with the Chaotix solving episodic mysteries that could be represented in the medium of Visual Novels...

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#73629: May 10th 2023 at 9:54:50 AM

I think a Chaotix Mystery Visual Novel (with Barry somehow getting racked up in their shenanigans as a temp intern or something) would be a vehicle for them.

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#73630: May 10th 2023 at 10:11:09 AM

Classic Super Amy will likely be a thing next month. I hope so anyway, after Mania gave Super forms to all 5 characters, and after between Mania and Origins Tails ended up working the same way Sonic and Knuckles did, it is proper to give Amy a Super form as she becomes playable in Classic games.

But yeah, expectant to see the Frontier DLC and how we see additional characters in 3D after over half of the franchise's story thus far.

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#73631: May 10th 2023 at 10:24:21 AM

If they want to experiment with more game genres like they did with visual novels in Murder, spotlighting various characters would be a good way to do it.

I can imagine a River City Girls style beat em up for Amy. A thieving stealth game for Rouge. Maybe something like Ratchet and Clank for Tails.

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#73632: May 10th 2023 at 11:08:59 AM

Realistically, I do wish more spin off titles...but of a similar caliber to indie titles, like Murder did.

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#73633: May 10th 2023 at 12:06:57 PM

I still need to buy both River City Girls games.

Unrelated question, do you guys see Black Doom as more of a Darth Vader or Darth Sidious guy?

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#73634: May 10th 2023 at 1:21:10 PM

He's very clearly Darth Sidious. If the Sonic series has a Darth Vader analogue, it's Shadow himself. And barely.

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#73635: May 10th 2023 at 2:18:05 PM

So, if Infinite/Jackal comes back what would want with him. I'd want him be a rogue since he no longer has the Phantom Ruby. Still pissed at Shadow (for killing his Squad and giving him his most hamulating defeat) and Sonic (for defeating him when he was at his best), but also pissed at Eggman since he discarded him at the end of the game.

Edit: You guys were talking about spinoff games. I'm surprised we don't have a Knuckles treasure hunting game featuring Rouge.

Edited by ImmaLelouch on May 10th 2023 at 5:19:07 AM

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#73636: May 10th 2023 at 2:20:22 PM

To me, Infinite doesn't work unless he has some fancy power source like the Phantom Ruby.

Because to me, Infinite works best as this superpowered bully type character who relies on raw power to get what he wants, with no real competency behind it.

So bringing him back is inherently really tough.

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#73637: May 10th 2023 at 2:44:27 PM

I'd prefer if he came back with an internalized but nerfed part of the Phantom Ruby's hard light holograms power. He can be working on trying to maximize his power, but can still have an inferiority complex, in general, or to Shadow, or to not having the power he once had.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on May 10th 2023 at 4:45:20 AM

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#73638: May 10th 2023 at 3:06:53 PM

Infinite may view Shadow as his most personal enemy, but to Shadow Infinite is just one of Robotnik's henchmen. Shadow most personal enemies are Black Doom and Mephiles.

Edited by neoamon on May 10th 2023 at 11:07:12 AM

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#73639: May 10th 2023 at 3:59:03 PM

Ignoring my personal feelings about him, Infinite doesn't really work outside the specific context of Forces since the Phantom Ruby required a constant power source and he doesn’t really have much depth in the way goals or motivations.

So all you're left with is just some dude with a God complex but none of the charisma to make it work.

You would have to actually give him new and understandable goals and completely change up his power set otherwise he'd just he like every other returning Sonic character who returns mostly for fanservice.

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#73640: May 10th 2023 at 4:18:08 PM

Ok... Now, what new spin-off game would you like to see?

  • New Sonic Riders
  • Sonic the Fighters 2 by Ryu Ga Gotoku Studio
  • Chaotix Yakuza-styled (as in it plays like Yakuza) solo game
  • Sonic Battle HD and/or Sonic Battle 2
  • Sonic Rush 3

Shadow the Hedgehog 2 except it's an open world action RPG

Like NieR: Automata?

third Sonic storybook game

Only if it revolves on Japanese stories.

I just realized how big of a missed opportunity it was to have Team Chaotix be the stars of Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog given its premise is a literal detective story....

Admittedly, yeah. But then, would it really be a Team Chaotix game if Charmy wasn't there? (But then again, they could've had it so that Charmy sneaks in anyway.)

An actual Team Chaotix with the Chaotix solving episodic mysteries that could be represented in the medium of Visual Novels...

Like Ace Attorney or its spin-off Ace Attorney: Investigations? That can work too if the Yakuza-style approach is too pricey for Sega. (Or if RGG Studio isn't interested in it.)

I think a Chaotix Mystery Visual Novel (with Barry somehow getting racked up in their shenanigans as a temp intern or something) would be a vehicle for them.

I see your Barry and raise you Tangle. (Or if it's episodic, we can split the difference and have Barry leave in the first episode and then we get Tangle for the rest of the game.) No really, look at this pic and tell me she can't fit in as One of the Boys.

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#73641: May 10th 2023 at 4:41:26 PM

A Chaotix investigation game would do well to look into Ace Attorney Investigations and the Frogwares Sherlock Holmes titles, particularly for the "forming deductions and piecing the clues together into a logical chain" style of gameplay.

What we got with Murder was satisfying for a short and easy one-off starring some rando. But for a proper Chaotix Investigations game, I'd want to see a more polished deductive investigation style of game.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 10th 2023 at 4:42:16 AM

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#73642: May 10th 2023 at 4:50:45 PM

[up]I could see Knuckles, Mighty, Ray, Heavy, Bomb and Nack as characters in the Chaotix game as a reference to the fact that they have been Chaotix members in a least one version of the versions of the Chaotix team.

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#73643: May 10th 2023 at 5:44:43 PM

I think they could have done more with Infinite, and I could see them constructing a story around him at some point.

I could see him sticking around as a personal rival to the rookie from Forces, if that guy ever comes back.

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#73644: May 11th 2023 at 12:00:06 AM

Isn't the "rookie" supposed to serve as a stand-in, though? I mean I get it, rivaled with Infinite because they both have something to do with materializing different characters/more than one character. It's just I never saw the rookie as needing to be officially enshrined in the Sonic cast because he was meant to introduce a brand new mechanic virtually every Sonic fan dreamed about.

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#73645: May 11th 2023 at 1:47:59 AM

I believe certain iterations of the rookie are canon in some form. Gadget(?), the promotional version of the character; Ian Jr, (the bug-eyed one); and to a certain degree, Whisper.

EDIT: Ian Jr even had an easter egg cameo in Death.

Edited by Zeromaeus on May 11th 2023 at 4:52:09 AM

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#73646: May 11th 2023 at 7:06:02 AM

While some characters are influenced by the Forces avatar, the actual deuteragonist of said game whose name is never spoken I'm afraid won't appear anymore. Mostly because of the logistic nightmare.

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#73647: May 11th 2023 at 7:24:56 AM

[up] I mean, one way it could work is if any future Sonic game (including spin-offs like a racing game), they introduce back the character creator, and treat any avatar you make as the same one from Forces. But then the question becomes, why bother?

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#73648: May 11th 2023 at 7:54:26 AM

That's kind of the problem with making a Self-Insert OC character for a franchise game. It pretty much has to be an inconsequential one-off, because trying to bring such a character back in any capacity for future appearances is a minefield.

Dragon Age: Inquisition actually took that plunge. They made the entirely customizable protagonist character Hawke from Dragon Age 2 into a significant NPC who makes choices and interacts with the plot of Inquisition outside of player control.

The results of that were... controversial, to put it mildly. The two overwhelming responses were "This is not my character" and "Yo, this is not my fucking character."

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 11th 2023 at 7:57:09 AM

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#73649: May 11th 2023 at 8:11:33 AM

Xenoverse 2 was a sequel where your player character from the previous game was a major character in the story mode.

That game handled it okay, if only because it continued writing the character like in the previous game (a silent protagonist of their own story).

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 11th 2023 at 8:17:47 AM

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#73650: May 11th 2023 at 11:02:50 AM

This is the reason I imagine Whisper was created. She is the wisp-gun wearing character for people moving forward.

And it seems she is *popular*, as she got two variations in Speed Battle: Chinese new year and base.

Regarding the "canon" Avatar: Gadjet is used in the Sonic Channel thingy, the same that gave us Infinite and Elise. It seems he became the defacto design because Sonic Team somehow cooked a good design without even bothering. And you guys take too much for granted the "stand in" thing when Gadjet has a clear arc and enough personality to work with, he is not a complete blank slate.

And Ian Jr is mostly the cameo version. I mean, he isn't Infinite's boyfriend in canon. Maybe. Who knows.

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