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KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#73601: May 10th 2023 at 5:47:23 AM

Steam reviews aren't a very good metric. Users can only rate a game yes or no, there's no nuance. For all that tells you, a game could have 95% positive rating, but most of the people rating yes are only lukewarm on the game were only barely passes getting a yes.

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#73602: May 10th 2023 at 5:50:05 AM

Even so, if it really is that lukewarm, then then the latest promotions and milestones wouldn't have happened, so don't try to downplay how this game is a welcome change of form for most fans.

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#73603: May 10th 2023 at 6:00:46 AM

I think saying the game's reception is both mostly positive and divisive may be both correct. The game's reception has been very positive, but any discussion about the game has a lot of people being rather down about aspects of the game but perhaps with ending positively about it being step forward for the series. I get the feeling the perspectives on Frontiers are colored heavily by the context of how it relates to the rest of the franchise. Frontiers has a certain effort and freshness to it that recent games had been lacking, and with it a promise that later Sonic games will continue to improve, so people are perhaps overly positive about it. On the other hand, I can imagine an alternate timeline where Sonic didn't have such a negative reputation and people loved the recent Sonic games, where Frontiers is perhaps a step down and people are overly negative about it.

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#73604: May 10th 2023 at 6:07:42 AM

A consensus of "positive but could be better" isn't divisive.

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#73605: May 10th 2023 at 6:08:15 AM

When Sonic Team made the first Sonic game could they imagine that there would be lots of Sonic games?

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#73606: May 10th 2023 at 6:12:40 AM

[up][up]Maybe divisive isn't the right word. It's more like the game has more for people to dislike or argue about than its generally positive reception would make it seem.

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#73607: May 10th 2023 at 6:15:22 AM

When you leave the bubble of the Sonic fandom, the game has been seen as simply passable. Nothing offensive but nothing really groundbreaking either. Its mostly Sonic fans that are treating it as this masterpiece of a game because of how burned they were about Forces.

And even then, the positivity is built less on the actual game itself and more on what they expect from the future.

Like of course the game looks better if you only look at the people who are already Sonic fans to begin with and are already predisposed to liking the series. Once you actually go to general audiences though, it's a bit more complicated.

The very nature of Critical Dissonance means it's divisive. That's why consensus' exist

[up] The very fact that people can debate its quality means it's divisive.

This isn't a case where the game got glowing reception, but has a few vocal haters.

The game got ok reception that mostly leans positive.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on May 10th 2023 at 9:17:16 AM

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#73608: May 10th 2023 at 6:28:51 AM

Well, I can't deny the game pandered heavily to existing fans, which would make sense that it would come at the expense of people who aren't already fans.

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#73609: May 10th 2023 at 6:57:15 AM

And that's fine. I'm happy that Sonic Frontiers follows up on a lot of existing stuff and opens the door for new stuff.

But the game doesn't exist in a vacuum either. Its genuinely got issues that hamper it down and keep it from being genuinely good.

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#73610: May 10th 2023 at 6:58:12 AM

Again, it all depends on how much the issues are the problematic or not.

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#73611: May 10th 2023 at 7:29:31 AM

The very fact that people can debate its quality means it's divisive.

Wait, seriously? That's all it takes?

I can debate the quality of Avengers: Endgame until the cows come home. Guess that means the movie's divisive, and not at all a smash success near-universally hailed by a huge swathe of people.

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#73612: May 10th 2023 at 7:33:23 AM

You and me both. It's like these guys have some rigid standards of what counts as truly good.

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#73613: May 10th 2023 at 7:45:39 AM

[up][up][up] When the same issues keep being mentioned by various people, yea I'd say that counts as problematic...

[up][up] Yes and No? The MCU is literally the most popular media franchise on the planet as far as general consumers go, but its not like the quality is consistent across the board either because of it.

Endgame has its issues, but the movie is kind of specifically built on the 11 years of buildup from the previous movies.

[up] I can flip this and just say you have low standards since you wanna go there.

I don't think it's entirely wrong to expect or want a franchise with as much of a legacy as Sonic to put out a high quality game as opposed to just getting an alright game with the expectation of a better one.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on May 10th 2023 at 10:50:09 AM

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#73614: May 10th 2023 at 7:47:51 AM

The thing is how you determine if those various issues are universal in how much it makes them change their mind about a game or not.

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#73615: May 10th 2023 at 7:48:56 AM

This is beginning to feel like what happens when a glass half empty viewpoint gets taken too far.

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#73616: May 10th 2023 at 7:54:32 AM

Yeah, I'm thinking that same. That's one bullshit mindset.

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#73617: May 10th 2023 at 8:02:33 AM

[up][up][up] A problem is a problem. How much it hampers your enjoyment of the game will vary from person to person, but it doesn't make the problem go away either.

Hell, I (mostly) enjoyed Frontiers despite its issues. The reason I point out the problems is because I want them to be addressed and fixed so I can get a better game. That's the point of constructive criticism, it's meant to be constructive.

What I'm seeing here is that usual phenomenon when something that people like is criticized, even in good faith, it's taken as a personal attack.

Now granted, given that Sonic is practically a meme due to bad faith criticisms, I understand why some fans get pretty reactionary and defensive to any criticism, but still...

Despite how I usually sound, I do like Sonic and give it credit where its due. Really my biggest problem with Sonic is that it often doesn't live up to it's potential. Which gets aggravating after three decades tbh.

[up] How is it any more bullshit than the "glass is half full" mindset?

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on May 10th 2023 at 11:04:22 AM

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#73618: May 10th 2023 at 8:03:54 AM

Can we just say it was good as a game, but there are plenty of elements in it that are divisive, which prompt discussion and debate?

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#73619: May 10th 2023 at 8:06:22 AM

There’s no need to insult other people’s standards to discuss quality. I suggest finding another topic now.

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#73620: May 10th 2023 at 8:08:10 AM

Ok... Now, what new spin-off game would you like to see?

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#73621: May 10th 2023 at 8:08:57 AM

[up][up][up] More or less my feelings on the game.

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#73622: May 10th 2023 at 8:10:39 AM

Amy. Amy Amy Amy Amy Amy I will die on this hill Amy Rose game. With Super Amy final boss fight.

I would be willing to settle for a Rouge game, which is more likely to be popular with the audience demographic of "People who are not me specifically".

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 10th 2023 at 8:10:51 AM

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#73623: May 10th 2023 at 8:12:13 AM

Will people even know who Amy is?

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#73624: May 10th 2023 at 8:32:52 AM

Sonic Rush 3
Tails Adventure 2
Amy game where she plays like SA1
Sonic Riders 4
Shadow the Hedgehog 2 except it's an open world action RPG
Knuckles Musou
Team Chaotix vs Team Hooligan
third Sonic storybook game
Sonic Chronicles 2
I Was Hit By a Truck While Rescuing a Hedgehog and Now I've Been Isekai'd into the Sonic World as my Original Character!? - The Sonic the Hedgehog Dating Sim

If Sega makes ALL of these then MAYBE the franchise is finally saved.

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#73625: May 10th 2023 at 8:42:29 AM

[up] A Sonic Musou does sound pretty cool, but my mind for some reason arrived to a Mario & Sonic Warriors (since they aren't hanging out in the olympics), where both parties start fighting each other, before joining forces to fight a common enemy


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