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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#73476: May 5th 2023 at 1:15:10 PM

I WOULD like a return to Sonic Riders, though.

Actually, you know what? I'd like a return to Sonic Riders, too. But there would need to be a lot of tweaks and inclusions.

  • All the stuff that made Free Riders suck? OUT. Completely.
  • Proper cutscenes, like maybe 2D animated ones from Powerhouse Animation?
  • Maybe have people who worked on racing games? (I don't know if the other three had racing game vets, but it wouldn't hurt, right?)
  • New characters:
    • Team Chaotix. Not one of them, all of them.
    • Team Honey, composed of new modern takes on Honey, Mighty, and Ray.
    • Team Diamond Cutters, composed of Tangle, Whisper, and Lanolin. wink
    • Unsorted ones like Surge and Kit.
    • The return of SEGA guest racers! Besides veterans like AiAi, Ulala, and NiGHTS, off the top of my head, we should have new ones like Joker, Aika, and Vectorman. (Yeah, Aika might be an odd inclusion, but then, why did Super Smash Bros. Ultimate have Min Min when she's a supporting character in ARMS?)
  • Rollback netcode? (Not sure if that's a thing for racing games can actually use.)

neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#73477: May 5th 2023 at 1:19:44 PM

How about Team Scrapnik with Sigma, Mecha Sonic Mk 2 and Mecha Knuckles.

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Dictionaryman616 Since: Mar, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#73478: May 5th 2023 at 1:46:44 PM

I would love that. Sonic Riders is underrated and a staple spinoff that deserves to return with new charavters and a new style.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73479: May 5th 2023 at 3:05:11 PM

All the stuff that made Free Riders suck is exclusive to the Kinect...

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#73480: May 5th 2023 at 7:56:12 PM

I really enjoyed playing Sonic Riders. I don't know why SEGA doesn't go back to that series.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#73481: May 5th 2023 at 9:16:41 PM

I think they just moved on to a different style of racing game. Though why they didn't include the Babylon Rouges in other vehicle-centered racers is something weird that I didn't notice until now.

I just watched the story scenes of TSR. It was kinda weak.

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#73482: May 5th 2023 at 11:37:39 PM

I want Hyper Sonic to appear again, but I want it to be a rare occurrence. Like "once every ten years at most" rare.

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#73483: May 5th 2023 at 11:50:26 PM

Yeah I figure Frontiers probably "Earned" the right to use Hyper Sonic given how much of a big deal the lore and writing was and how it was... Y'now, actually a well-received game.

I definitely understand not wanting Sonic to just have a litany of So Last Season forms but Hyper Sonic can show up once again after being dormant for decades right?

Maybe since Super Sonic is Once an Episode at this point we can have Hyper as a "Trilogy Closer" kind of big deal powerup. So maybe in Frontiers 3. [lol]

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#73484: May 6th 2023 at 6:11:14 AM

They could at least make new forms that are unrelate d(Like what might have been a Cyber Sonic form of some kind because of his Cyberization schtick going on in Frontiers) with Hyper Sonic at the end of the End Saga (If The End is a Recurring antagonist moving forward in some shape or form.)

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#73485: May 6th 2023 at 6:35:29 AM

Solaris, The End both seem like villains powerful enough to need Hyper Sonic because they seem to be the strongest villains.

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#73486: May 6th 2023 at 7:08:24 AM

I don't understand the argument against of "Hyper is just Super Sonic, just a bit MORE." Like Hyper Sonic is a real thing static in its existence, and not a fictional creation that could be tweaked as needed.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73487: May 6th 2023 at 7:12:12 AM

Are you saying that Hyper Sonic could be altered to just be Super Sonic but different?

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#73488: May 6th 2023 at 7:15:36 AM

No, I'm arguing against the people who are saying that's how it is now.

Edited by diddyknux on May 6th 2023 at 9:15:55 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73489: May 6th 2023 at 7:30:14 AM

But it's not different now.

Edited by randomness4 on May 6th 2023 at 10:30:40 AM

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#73490: May 6th 2023 at 8:30:21 AM

Hyper Sonic IS "Super Sonic but more" though. Like it's the Super Saiyan 2 transformation to the original's Super Saiyan 1. That's probably why it never came back and instead most super threats are just scaled to only need Super Sonic and the Super Sonic-adjacent forms from the storybook games.

Even with the Solaris example mentioned, it just took 2 additional Super Hedgehogs to even the odds. Hyper Sonic coming back just seems needless from Sonic Teams point of view.

Edited by VeryMelon on May 6th 2023 at 11:35:26 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73491: May 6th 2023 at 8:51:09 AM

In all honesty, Frontiers did need some type of escalation for its final boss than what we had, but it needed to be more thematically appropriate than just bringing back some old thing fans loved 30 years ago for a quick dopamine rush.

Sonic's line before the start of the final boss kind of made me think that all of the dead souls of the Ancients would have came back and empowered him in some way.

But yea, there were far better ideas for that than simply bringing back Hyper Sonic.

[up] And what's funny about this is what despite how much Sonic fans want Sonic to be a complete ripoff of DBZ, even that series understood when a transformation needed to be thematically appropriate for the plot. Granted, it pretty much threw that out eventually and now the series just stacks transformations for the sake of telling new action figures.

But Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan 2 both had tons of buildup in the arcs they debuted in, and for the latter in particular, its basically the climax of Gohan's character arc. It wasn't just a transformation of looking cool.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on May 6th 2023 at 11:53:28 AM

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#73492: May 7th 2023 at 3:55:26 AM

Given how reference heavy Frontiers was, I suppose Hyper Sonic being the big finale does make some thematic sense in how the game was paying tribute to the series history even when simultaneously emphasizing the next era for it.

Edited by BorneAgain on May 7th 2023 at 7:01:01 AM

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#73493: May 7th 2023 at 4:02:02 AM

The canon ending of Sonic's story in S3&&K is the one with Super Sonic, not Hyper Sonic. It is the one that leads to Knuckles' story.

neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#73494: May 7th 2023 at 4:47:49 AM

Speaking of Super forms I have wanted to a boss battle between Super Mecha Sonic and Super Knucles or between Super Mecha Sonic and Super Sonic.

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#73496: May 8th 2023 at 4:57:34 AM

Sonic Frontiers has officially surpassed Sonic Heroes as the highest selling 3D Game.

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#73497: May 8th 2023 at 5:05:11 AM

Oh excellent!

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#73498: May 8th 2023 at 5:14:03 AM

Gonna be honest, Heroes would not have been my default choice for best selling 3d game. Though it was the first multiplatform 3d one, so I suppose it makes sense.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#73499: May 8th 2023 at 6:14:28 AM

Both Adventures had sold more than Heroes AFAIK, with both the Dreamcast release of Adventure 1, and the Gamecube release of Adventure 2, beating 2.5 millions (versus Heroes' collective 2.19 millions across all platforms).

The collective sales numbers for the Adventure games is 4.5 millions for Adventure 1, and 3.39 millions for Adventure 2. Frontiers is at 3.2 millions... in 6 months, rather than in 2 decades across multiple rereleases.

Generations is also at 3.8 millions, but that figure counts the 3DS version, which is a different game.

Still, leaps and bounds beyond forces, which sold 120K units or so.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#73500: May 8th 2023 at 6:28:29 AM

Before we move to the next page, I forgot to throw in something regarding a hypothetical Sonic Riders revival.

It might be the dope soundtrack or the hella aesthetic, but I can't stop thinking that a hypothetical Sonic Riders revival could benefit from cribbing from WipEout. Like it could be "Wipeout, but with hoverboards and stunts." Or you know, something that tells people that this new Riders is its own beast.

Happy 73,500th post, Sonic thread! grin

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 8th 2023 at 9:28:51 AM


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