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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#73401: May 1st 2023 at 12:16:20 PM

So I borrowed my housemate's X Box controller to give P-06 a run... oh wow, I still have 3D Sonic muscle memory from my days playing on the Gamecube, that I believed was gone once I started playing on keyboard.

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#73402: May 1st 2023 at 1:08:19 PM

[up][up]I figured if they'd ever met, it would've been when Tails fixed up Omega and Gemerl. Actually, now that I remember it, he specifically couldn't fix them up without her help, as Eggman's tech is "weird."

Since I'm collecting the IDW books, I'm anxiously waiting getting to see Omega and Gemerl spar. IDW Omega is a treat.

[up][up][up]Oh sweet, now I can actually vote! But I don't really have any preference between Wave or Marine, even though I played Rush Adventure. Based on design, character relationship, and being the underdog in this poll, I might go Wave, though hasn't Marine spent far more time out of the spotlight?

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on May 1st 2023 at 3:10:07 AM

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#73403: May 1st 2023 at 8:08:00 PM

[up][up][up]omega probably just sees her as what she is, a mr. tinkerer robot who was not eggman and had a different way of designing things.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73404: May 1st 2023 at 8:16:13 PM

He should treat her the same way he treated Fixit from Post-Reboot Archie.

As in, constant bullying for being an "inferior" model.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#73405: May 2nd 2023 at 6:40:33 AM

Oh sweet, now I can actually vote! But I don't really have any preference between Wave or Marine, even though I played Rush Adventure. Based on design, character relationship, and being the underdog in this poll, I might go Wave, though hasn't Marine spent far more time out of the spotlight?

You bet your sweet bippy that Marine's been out of the spotlight way more than Wave. Wave at least shows up in the Sonic Forces mobile game.

Nah, clearly we're living in an age of underdogs, because who would've guessed we'd be seeing new artwork of Elise, Vanilla, and now Marine after said characters haven't shown up in the games in a little over a decade? (Yeah, Advance 2-3, 06, and Rush Adventure are officially more than 10 years old. Anybody feeling the oldness crawling in?)

Granted, Marine's poll isn't done yet, but with the kind of lead she's got, it's inevitable. And yeah, this age of underdogs might be because there's a voting system going on, but I'm applauding the heck out of it. grin

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 2nd 2023 at 9:40:47 AM

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#73406: May 2nd 2023 at 7:02:50 AM

I WOULD like a return to Sonic Riders, though.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#73407: May 2nd 2023 at 7:03:06 AM

Rush Adventure is as old as the original 1991 game was when Rush Adventure was released.

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#73408: May 2nd 2023 at 8:01:13 PM

If you don't want to watch the video, I'll shortened it: Pariah talks about how the Sonic series stopped "progressing", as the supporting characters don't feel like they stopped at a certain point and never move on. This is the reason, btw, he doesn't like the IDW comics.

My response is the cynical one: unfortunately, I don't ever see the series changing it's status quo due to its corporate nature.

It is nice Maekawa introduced so many plot threads with some sense of continuity, but he also introduced the status quo as he is the one who didn't bother developing Tails, Amy or Knuckles further. All his attention went to his golden boy. Why the Japanese staff in the 2000's didn't bother moving the characters forward is a mistery, and Pontac saw his work as writing an episodic saturday morning cartoon.

Hey, Flynn tried moving the character arcs, but I know, after too much torture with this community, it won't satisfy everyone. Oh well.

Edited by Tomodachi on May 2nd 2023 at 8:14:15 AM

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#73409: May 2nd 2023 at 8:05:12 PM

You posted the url wrong I'm assuming since its not working.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#73410: May 2nd 2023 at 8:08:24 PM

Funny that Pariah made a video on this subject since we were debating it for a few days at least here. Unfortunately, he's preaching to the choir. All of our issues with the other Sonic characters simply come down to Sonic Team and/or Sega not doing anything except the same old things with them.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73411: May 2nd 2023 at 8:17:41 PM

Yea, it's a conclusion I've reached for a while. Its a very deliberate choice to keep the cast static so as to not alienate newcomers.

So characters who used to have arcs and progress just kind of don't anymore.

It is what it is.

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#73412: May 2nd 2023 at 8:18:01 PM

Pariah writes as if the Sonic series has an end in sight. Sonic Team sees the product as an episodic series, no different from a cartoon, except when they felt pretentious in the idiotic period.

The fact I had to listen to these debates again after leaving the Dragon Ball community, amazing. Pariah unintentionally is quoting Totally Not Mark and Mistarefusion.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73413: May 2nd 2023 at 8:21:22 PM

I mean when a series used to adhere to continuity and actually had progression, it's kind of annoying when it just....stops.

Like it still bothers me a lot personally, but I mostly cope by just following franchises that make me happy like One Piece but it's not like those negative feelings go away.

Shit, I wish Sonic would switch up protagonists every now and then so it could tell fresh stories but that means pissing off fans of the old cast.

Can't win

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on May 2nd 2023 at 11:23:44 AM

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#73414: May 2nd 2023 at 8:28:56 PM

I'm just amused at the idea of his, of "Sonic and Amy feelings for each other", as if that was ever gonna happen.

Edited by Tomodachi on May 2nd 2023 at 8:30:35 AM

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#73415: May 2nd 2023 at 8:37:07 PM

It'd be cool if Sonic subseries had arcs or whatever, but the main games shouldn't focus on stories like that.

I doubt every writer would become as biased, but the fact that Shadow was the only character to be an important hook for 4 games in a row is pretty lame.

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#73416: May 2nd 2023 at 8:44:00 PM

Thinking about it, Pariah video is only giving me deja vu. I swear I heard many of these arguments with Roger of Sonic Dissected. I should know, I edited that page...a decade ago? Jesus Christ.

Maybe this is the point where I had to stop watching him. All I'm getting is things I already heard, and those things are why I dislike Sonictubers now at days.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73417: May 3rd 2023 at 2:25:26 AM

He's been playing Zelda lately so

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#73418: May 3rd 2023 at 2:27:55 AM

I mean, a decade ago is when Lost World was released. We used to get games every 1-2 years, and spinoffs as well, from 2001 to 2009.

Hell, take a look at the And the Fandom Rejoiced Sonic the Hedgehog page, how it starts with reactions to Sonic the Hedgehog 4, with takes that have turned into utter inane approaches.

Edited by Eriorguez on May 3rd 2023 at 11:28:14 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73419: May 3rd 2023 at 2:31:11 AM

Game development baby. Gotta love it.

I'd say Tails bad a pretty good multi game arc. Going from child sidekick to someone more independently from Sonic, but Obviously they weren't gonna completely separate Tails from Sonic, so they had to walk back on that.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#73420: May 3rd 2023 at 3:19:06 AM

And Knuckles went from loner that at times teamed up, to actual friend. Heroes kept the characterization but disregarded most of the world beyond references in dialogue. Shadow 05 was relatively on point with characters other than its protagonist, but gave him the exact same crap approach Sonic has been getting since Unleashed (AKA, the only one who can do things). 06 had a neat Team Dark, Amy got toned down from the Heroes shenanigans, and Silver got a nice introduction, but Blaze and Team Sonic was mostly just there.

And then, gotta throw the baby with the bathwater after 06.

No seriously, I just don't get the "bad level design" argument people use in that one. Same design phylosophy as Adventure, but, expanded. Shame it took until a guy who had watched gameplay videos of the game decided to remake it for those to be fun.

Then again, I liked Marble Zone as a kid, so I guess I'm not the typical 90's fan.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73421: May 3rd 2023 at 4:04:17 AM

What makes a good Sonic game varies greatly from person to person.

06 may have decent level design, but everything bad about it overshadows the good.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#73422: May 3rd 2023 at 4:30:01 AM

The kneejerk reaction is pretty much the worst part of 06.

Goddammit SEGA.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73423: May 3rd 2023 at 4:41:33 AM

From critics or from Sega?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73425: May 3rd 2023 at 5:37:43 AM

Of course.

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