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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73126: Apr 18th 2023 at 2:44:58 PM

Despite age being the reason given for not putting Cream and Charmy into the April Fool's visual novel, the much more obvious reason is that they just wanted to keep the game small and with a focused cast.

You could've put Cream and Charmy together in an extra car and that would've added like another 15-20 minutes to the whole game.

Or put Charmy in the car with Knuckles and Cream in the car with Shadow.

They didn't use Silver or Big either, it's easy to see why...unlike every character they did use...the remaining characters don't have much in the way of existing connections to write a dynamic for.

Plus the amount of characters would increase how much they need to keep track of, this is a pretty simple mystery story...it has just enough characters to be decently in-depth and not make the culprit super obvious.

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#73127: Apr 18th 2023 at 2:57:09 PM

I'm fine with them not incluiding Silver, as I feel he should be treated a bit more seriously. As in, he is a Trunks expy, right? Trunks only showed up when his future was in danger. I feel the same should be applied.

Regarding Big? Eh, he probably wasn't interested in the party. Too confusing for him.

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#73128: Apr 18th 2023 at 2:59:01 PM

To be fair, Charmy doesn't have as close a dynamic to Amy yeah, but Big and Cream are supposed to be some of her closest friends.
Still, it's easy to believe she'd just do different things with them for her birthday that might be more what they'd actually like. We know she's doing other stuff for her birthday including that not-date with someone.

...Am I the only one here who saw the train murder mystery episode of King of the Hill? Peggy didn't bring her son along to the exact same event for her birthday, but that doesn't mean she loves him any less than, say, Bill, Lucky, or the two guys she works with who happened to both not bring dates.

Great, now I want a fun birthday event, but I don't live close to most of my friends anymore.

Also, Feral!Prime!Big lives rent free in my head. "What's all this about beef?"

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Apr 18th 2023 at 5:06:34 AM

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#73129: Apr 18th 2023 at 3:38:11 PM

Obligatory mention that we do see what Big's up to during the party. He makes a cameo appearance where he's visible outside one of the train's windows, fishing in the distance.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73130: Apr 18th 2023 at 3:44:47 PM

Being paired up in the cars and having dialogue is what I meant, obviously...

Edited by randomness4 on Apr 18th 2023 at 8:12:40 AM

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#73131: Apr 18th 2023 at 4:55:20 PM

[up][up]Right, I forgot about that.

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#73132: Apr 18th 2023 at 4:56:20 PM

Silver also didn't go to Sonic's party in Generations, it took the time eater showing up for him to get involved.

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#73133: Apr 18th 2023 at 5:17:28 PM

I'm still angry the IDW comics made me care about Silver. I was fully prepared to consign him to the dustbin of pointless Sonic characters I never want to see again and then bam they made him loveable.

I was particularly happy to see Blaze again in TMOSTH. I feel like she needs her own Cast Herd like Tangle started building up. (Yes I realize this will likely create a few new candidates for the dustbin of pointless Sonic characters I never want to see again.) Maybe a dedicated The Medic or other role that hasn't really been filled yet.

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#73134: Apr 18th 2023 at 5:35:26 PM

Well Blaze has Marine...they just don't use her.

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#73135: Apr 18th 2023 at 6:12:55 PM

[up][up] Well, I'd like for Cream to be The Medic of the cast, since it's the most useful role she can fill that works perfectly with her personality. And there's heavy precedent for it, with her being a godly White Mage in Sonic Chronicles, and even her heal in Sonic Battle being the best of all the cast. Though I'd rather Cream not be part of Blaze's Cast Herd. Cream was made to be Amy's partner and she should be returned to that role.

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#73136: Apr 18th 2023 at 6:16:56 PM

Cream's gameplay niche is "Be incredibly overpowered to make the game beatable by young children" if you ask me and so far she's done pretty well for that. How is less important TBH.

If they make her playable in a platformer again she should just be straight-up unkillable with no fail state. Justify it by having Cheese and Vanilla protect her or something.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Apr 18th 2023 at 1:18:55 PM

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#73137: Apr 18th 2023 at 6:32:52 PM

Being Amy's sidekick isn't gonna go away...Blaze lives in a separate dimension.

If Blaze actually gets to appear, Cream should be more likely to stick around her though.

That's just more interesting.

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#73138: Apr 18th 2023 at 6:41:41 PM

Cream's knowledge of proper etiquette should absolutely come up if we ever actually get to Blaze's... Palace?

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#73139: Apr 18th 2023 at 6:51:52 PM

They honestly should make it easier for the characters to hop between dimensions.

Chaos + Sol emerald shenanigans should only cause swapping of dimensions from anywhere.

But there just needs to be a specific Warp Ring that goes back N' forth between them.

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#73140: Apr 18th 2023 at 7:23:13 PM

I dunno, one thing I like about Blaze is that she can't show up casually (He says right after they release a game where she shows up casually) so her appearance has weight to it. When Sonic and Blaze meet important things are happening just by virtue of both of them being there. It's one of the reasons storylines that include her all wind up being epic.

Sol Emeralds do need some counterpart to Chaos Control. I propose "Sol Unleash" that's less predictable and randomly causes a Reality Warper effect on nearby terrain, twisting it into the form of a standard platformer level. cool

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#73141: Apr 18th 2023 at 7:29:26 PM

...Most of her appearances are in spin offs where she's no more important than anyone else, and her two main game appearances have her taking a backseat.

When do epic things happen when Blaze show up again, past Rush Adventure?

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Apr 18th 2023 at 10:29:44 AM

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#73142: Apr 18th 2023 at 7:31:37 PM

I'll always bring up that Dodon Pa sent an invitation across dimensions so that Blaze could race cars in one of his events. It's incredibly absurd.

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#73143: Apr 18th 2023 at 7:42:01 PM

[up][up] I dunno I haven't played many games past Rush Adventures. [lol] Although my post already noted I was contradicting myself.

Seriously if it wasn't those two Rush games I probably wouldn't be a Sonic fan. There's a reason she's so close to my heart.

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#73144: Apr 18th 2023 at 7:49:36 PM

You got exposed to some fun games!

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73145: Apr 18th 2023 at 7:51:26 PM

A character like Blaze needing special reasons for her to show up in a story is just...such a waste.

Same for the rest of the characters being able to go to the Sol Dimension.

This is one of those situations where Sega taking ideas from the comics would be quite appreciated.

There being other accessible dimensions is a neat idea to come back to, especially for the creation of games like Lost World.

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#73146: Apr 18th 2023 at 7:53:39 PM

Dodon Pa also sent an invitation 200 years into the future so that Silver can participate in car races.

Dodon Pa is such a ridiculous character.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#73147: Apr 18th 2023 at 7:56:38 PM

The series needs more of them.

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#73148: Apr 18th 2023 at 8:35:34 PM

Planet Donpa's data even got copied into Cyberspace.

Eh, it's fine to not have Blaze show up frequently, but it'd be easier to understand if we actually got to see some of her own adventures. Sonic's verse doesn't really have a lot of spinoff series like Yoshi, Luigi, DK, Mario & Luigi, Paper Mario, etc. have. It would be nice if they did. But here I'm still wishing Blitzball and a Chao Garden were standalone games like Gwent got.

Also, the train in Murder had gambling and implicitly alcoholic drinks, so maybe it had a literal age restriction, or Vanilla didn't want Cream going.

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#73149: Apr 18th 2023 at 8:50:26 PM

Man imagine if Sonic got character spinoff games again. Tails, Knuckles and Shadow all got a chance.

Blaze Adventure.

Tangle the Lemur in a Ristar Spiritual Successor.

Cream's Chao Garden.

Omega in a straight up Shooter Action Game. I imagine it'd play like Gungrave.

Amy Rose dating sim.

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#73150: Apr 18th 2023 at 8:51:21 PM

Sol Emeralds do need some counterpart to Chaos Control.

It's possible they already do. It's only in the comics, but Blaze does use them to cross dimensions. Hell, Rush Adventure is predicated on both the Sol and Chaos Emeralds conspiring to bring Sonic to Blaze's world.

What I want to know is how Silver manages to time travel?

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