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electricmastro Since: Apr, 2015
#72951: Apr 13th 2023 at 1:33:43 PM

Was just made known to me that none of the Sonic games are rated T for Teen, in spite of how some games are darker than others. Is that true?

Edited by electricmastro on Apr 13th 2023 at 4:34:12 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#72952: Apr 13th 2023 at 1:34:13 PM

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I actually don't count that other way.

There's zero need to go Fanon Discontinuity when the game retconned it's own events.

Plus, many fans were dicks about it. And like, it's saying something when you have legitimate cause to hate a game and still manage to go overboard about it.

.....and you know what? I shouldn't have mentioned 06. I should know better. I'm gonna end this before things get out of hand like they always do. I'm 100% serious about this.

.....Mephiles is the greatest villain ever.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Apr 13th 2023 at 1:34:35 AM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#72953: Apr 13th 2023 at 1:54:39 PM

Maybe now when people think 'Sonic was killed' they'll think of The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog first.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#72954: Apr 13th 2023 at 2:29:18 PM

Speaking of Surge and Kit, people have brought up the hilarious mental image of them ending up getting the redemptions they honestly deserve from Cream, who's wholesome, innocent, and fully capable of kicking ass as needed.

Judging by Starline's logs, whoever Surge was before her current personality held on for a long time against his brainwashing.

neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#72955: Apr 13th 2023 at 3:06:10 PM

There is one way to redeem Kit and Surge, but it would be killing off the personalities that we have come to know and restoring their original minds.

"May your heart be your guiding key"
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#72956: Apr 13th 2023 at 3:14:02 PM

Isn't that literally no different than kill and replace?

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Tony-Sharx Megalodons are the best kind of furry. from ACME Nation Since: Mar, 2020
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#72957: Apr 13th 2023 at 3:20:49 PM

I was legitimately hyped when Robotnik became Mr. Tinker and how that introduced Belle.

I'm probably one of the few who really, really wished Mr. Tinker lasted longer, or the very least gave Robotnik a major break from his usual villainy. It was pretty disappointing how fast and easy he turned back, basically killing off that particular personality.

EDIT: oooh I just realized, perhaps Mr. Tinker was used as a means of foreshadowing Surge and Kit?

Edited by Tony-Sharx on Apr 13th 2023 at 3:23:35 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#72958: Apr 13th 2023 at 3:25:33 PM

I feel like the IDW comic is in more need of recurring villains than more redeemed former villains. Though Surge and Kit's theoretical redemption could be really simple considering how paper thin their motivations are. Moreover, I'm curious what Surge is like when she's not thinking about Sonic, and Kit when he's not thinking about Surge.

Like, if you boot Surge over to Silver's future where there is literally no sonic for her to hate, and don't give her means to get back, does she occupy herself with something else once she's exhausted trying to get back?

Edit: I wouldn't mind a scenario where Eggman is faced with a scenario where he has reason to revert to Mr Tinker for a time. It would be curious to see what Mr Tinker makes of it, who never really got to come to terms with him being Eggman. Would be nice for Belle too.

Edited by Whowho on Apr 13th 2023 at 11:27:54 AM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#72959: Apr 13th 2023 at 3:45:30 PM

I also feel Mr. Tinker was too short-lived.

As for recurring villains, the comics have some that are either not really a threat (Rough and Tumble) or not the right kind of threat for an ongoing Sonic comic (Mimic). I'll need to see where Clutch goes, like Surge and Kit, and how or if they recur.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#72960: Apr 13th 2023 at 3:50:25 PM

[up][up] Surge would literally just terrorize and destroy everything and everyone around her.

Her sole purpose is ruining Sonic's life and everything that ruined hers.

Even if Sonic was somehow removed from her life, she wouldn't be satisfied because Starline didn't make her with any purpose beyond killing Sonic. And given how mentally unstable she already is, she basically admitted she'd just kill everyone.

She's basically Shadow without a moral compass dictating his actions.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Apr 13th 2023 at 6:50:55 AM

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#72961: Apr 13th 2023 at 4:26:27 PM

Mr Tinker and Doctor Ovi Kintobor were both nice, kind people invented machines that helped people. However it was obvious that they wouldn't be allowed to stay like, soon they would be forced by Sega to change back into Doctor Ivo Robotnik.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#72962: Apr 13th 2023 at 4:40:43 PM

I think the worst part about Mr. Tinker is when Belle finds a letter he hid in a Moto-bug when Starline was first trying to change him back. He wrote it because he had come to believe he was Eggman based on the evidence, and he apparently suspected that he would change back at some point (and I think word of god confirmed Tinkerer was slowly starting to revert, with Metal Sonic just being the last straw, but I may have misheard that).

The letter is basically his last will and testament, as he acknowledges that he's going to be as good as dead soon enough.

It's depressing.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#72963: Apr 13th 2023 at 5:56:02 PM

I also think the Mr. Tinker phase was too interesting to write out as soon as it happened. Maybe lasting until after the Metal Virus arc instead of before would be fine.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#72964: Apr 13th 2023 at 6:04:12 PM

They kind of shot themselves in the foot with Tinkerer imo. Because having him around basically means no Eggman for an extended period of time.

Which makes the Big Bad spot would have to be occupied by someone else in the meantime.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#72965: Apr 13th 2023 at 7:42:29 PM

It probably would've felt like a cheap move, but it would've been cool if - like - Tinker had made an AI of himself or something so he could stay around for a while, while still making it explicit that the real Tinker is dead and gone.

Overall, it had the same energy as all the same "let's do something crazy and reform one of the main villains for a while... oops everyone likes the reformed version, welp too bad it can't stick around" energy you get all the time with Batman.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 13th 2023 at 7:42:38 AM

neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#72966: Apr 14th 2023 at 12:00:49 AM

[up]This idea is giving me deja vu. Fleetway had a copy of Kintobor's mind be found on a ring that became a computer that could help Sonic and friends beat Robotnik.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#72967: Apr 14th 2023 at 8:55:33 AM

It should be noted that Ian didn't make Surge and Kit with the intent on redeeming them. He (rightfully) feels like Sonic has too many former enemies turned allies.

I keep seeing this sentiment but other than Silver, Knuckles and Shadow, this isn't that much of a thing in the Sonic franchise. Hell, Silver and Knuckles were Nominal Villains at worst.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#72968: Apr 14th 2023 at 9:25:16 AM

The main point is that Sonic doesn't much of a Rogues Gallery. There's Eggman and the D6 as of late, but that's about it as far as the games are concerned.

The comics added Rough and Tumble (Henchman, as per Flynn), Starline, Mimic (more personal enemy for Whisper), Clutch, Surge and Kit.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#72969: Apr 14th 2023 at 9:25:52 AM

[up][up]Rogue and Omega also debatably come under that category, Gemerald definitely does, and Blaze is - I actually don't remember what the context is over their fights in Blaze's introduction, so maybe not Blaze.

Edit: trying to rack my head for former game villains who could return as villains, but the games are usually Eggman enraging forces of nature.

Edited by Whowho on Apr 14th 2023 at 5:27:30 PM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#72970: Apr 14th 2023 at 10:27:51 AM

I presume he was talking about villains in the Archie comics...because that sentiment didn't really make any sense referring to the games.

Also any other villain in the series usually just gets "Keelhauled" off and doesn't ever come back.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#72971: Apr 14th 2023 at 10:46:50 AM

Speaking of "Keelhauled", there's Captain Whisker, Johnny, and Dr. Eggman Nega (however you want to name him, he's technically still an Eggman, that's what he am...)

  • Whisker: Presumed dead/not functional in Blaze's dimension in game canon, presumed retired in Blaze's dimension in comic canon
  • Johnny: At large in Blaze's dimension in game canon, presumed retired in Blaze's dimension in comic canon
  • Dr. Nega(tive): At large in Blaze's dimension

There's also Infinite (at large, nerfed if not fully depowered). And THE END, but the latter should be used very sparingly as a colossal threat.

Dictionaryman616 Since: Mar, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#72972: Apr 14th 2023 at 10:49:16 AM

Sonic Villains who had an Uncertain Doom in a nutshell.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#72973: Apr 14th 2023 at 11:02:15 AM

Does anyone remember the context for this?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#72974: Apr 14th 2023 at 11:22:26 AM

Final arc of Sonic Universe; Chaotix get hired to rescue a princess from Pirates and infiltrate the group from within.

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#72975: Apr 14th 2023 at 12:15:21 PM

Metal Knuckles was never destroyed.

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