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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#72426: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:44:38 PM

There is at least three Knuckles that didn't have to watch over the Master Emerald all the time.

Knuckles in Sonic The Comic had the Guardian Robots and a forcefield to help protect the Master Emerald and rest of the Chaos Emeralds.

Archie Knuckles had the Guardians, the Fire Ants, Chaotix to help protect the Master Emerald.

Sonic X Knuckles didn't have to watch over the Master Emerald in season one because Angel Island was still in Sonic world's dimension.

Knuckles in Sonic The Comic was also stuck wandering Mobius after being teleported to a pirate town. So he had to journey till he found a way back to the Floating Island with a chest of ancient Echidna scrolls, this could be used as a reason for Knuckles to be wandering around Sonic's world with him finding a way back home to Angel Island during the ending.

Edited by neoamon on Mar 28th 2023 at 10:50:05 AM

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#72427: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:53:48 PM

I liked the part in Frontiers where Sonic asks Knuckles if it's okay for him to be away from the Master Emerald and Knuckles basically just answers with "Eh, don't worry about it. So anyway..."

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#72428: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:57:40 PM

Narrator: Eggman would then proceed to steal the Master Emerald to threaten the world.

Knuckles: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUU!!!!

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#72429: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:58:38 PM

That's the correct response.

The only person who would've stolen it was Eggman, who was also trap-ed in digital city-scape.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#72430: Mar 28th 2023 at 3:02:14 PM

I definitely say keep Knuckles around because he's such a good foil to Sonic. He takes everything seriously which means Sonic taking nothing seriously gets to be more prominent.

He just needs to have some faceless lackies who help guard the emerald when he's not there.

His dialogue in Frontiers even shows that he's realised he's regathered himself to Angel Island too much.

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#72431: Mar 28th 2023 at 3:12:08 PM

The thing about Knuckles and Angel Island is that while some people would want Knuckles to stay off Angel Island so that he could do more things, there are going to be other fans who want Knuckles to stay on Angel Island and guard the Master Emerald because that's how they knew the character. But then again, I would like to see a story line where Knuckles does decide to not guard the Master Emerald for a while. It would be interesting to see what kind of stories can be made about that and hopefully, this would allow SEGA to just explore different stories with this franchise that they didn't explore with before.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#72432: Mar 28th 2023 at 3:15:36 PM

It comes down what you value more in Knuckles as a character.

Do you like him for the lore implications he brings to the series and his connections to them.

Or do you like him as a companion in Sonic's group of friends.

I'm not saying one is more valid than the other and they're not mutually exclusive, but the series hasn't exactly done a good job at balancing those aspects.

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#72433: Mar 28th 2023 at 3:18:11 PM

It been suggested a few times that they could have Chaos come out of the Emerald to take Knuckles' place as Guardian during the times he's away.

And with all the new lore that Frontiers just brought, leaving the Island on occasion to search for more stuff about these Ancients would in fact, be a good reason for him to leave, since then he'd be learning more about what he's guarding (and in theory become a better guardian).

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#72434: Mar 28th 2023 at 3:18:40 PM

What if...I like Knuckles for neither of those things?

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#72435: Mar 28th 2023 at 3:19:21 PM

What do you like about Knuckles then?

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Mar 28th 2023 at 6:19:34 AM

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#72436: Mar 28th 2023 at 3:24:45 PM

It been suggested a few times that they could have Chaos come out of the Emerald to take Knuckles' place as Guardian during the times he's away.

Piggybacking off this idea: what if a Knuckles solo game focuses on him eventually ending up awakening Chaos from the Master Emerald, establishing that the aqueous guardian can protect the glowing green rock whenever Knuckles is away.

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#72437: Mar 28th 2023 at 3:34:20 PM

[up][up]I legitimately cannot answer that question...

He's one of my favorite characters though and the series can do him a ton of justice by allowing him to interact with the Chaotix.

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#72438: Mar 28th 2023 at 3:47:46 PM

That's definitely an answer.

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#72439: Mar 28th 2023 at 3:52:02 PM

Knuckles in Frontiers was only off of his island because he basically fell into Cyberspace, not by choice. In the ending he states he's going to go back to his island, "at least, for a while." It pretty clearly conveys that he spends most, but not absolutely all, of his time on the island. Assuming Eggman is accounted for, there's not really any known threat that he can't handle on his own, though I wouldn't be too surprised if GUN wanted to get their hands on it. Rouge wouldn't seriously steal it long term, and they have an "understanding" of each other, anyway. Nack/Fang seems to be set in the Classic Era. I guess the Babylon Rogues are still out there. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if he has a "the Master Emerald is in danger!" sense to let him know to return.

Have they ever clarified if Angel Island is geosynchronous, or if it moves?

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Mar 28th 2023 at 5:53:25 AM

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#72440: Mar 28th 2023 at 3:54:36 PM

In the Archie comics, they posted a map of Mobius. The dotted line is the Floating Island's/Angel Island's path across the planet.

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#72441: Mar 28th 2023 at 3:54:59 PM

What sonic games and media do you like best for Knuckles content in that case?

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#72442: Mar 28th 2023 at 3:57:16 PM

Another day I remember Titan Tails was a thing, and I'm laughing.

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#72443: Mar 28th 2023 at 4:08:04 PM

[up][up] A lot of people are gonna disagree but Archie has done the most with Knuckles. Sure, not all of it is good, but there's an attempt.

In terms of a Knuckles that's a close approximation of the games? I guess Sonic X.

Knuckles is kind of at his best when he's forced out of his comfort zone and has to adjust. It's why he's fun to watch in the first season because he just wants to go home while everyone else is just chilling out.

I guess that's something Frontiers got right.

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#72444: Mar 28th 2023 at 4:30:17 PM

Knuckles needs his own arch enemy, right now the nearest thing he has to an arch enemy is the Eggrobo that Knuckles fought in Sonic 3 and Knuckles, which may have been rebuilt as Heavy King.

He needs his own version of Dr Zachary, Enerjak or Dr. Finitevus someone who can serve as an evil counterpart and arch enemy, if Sega won't bring any new Echidnas in to the story then maybe Metal Knuckles or Mecha Knuckles could serve as an example of what Knuckles could be like if he still served Robotnik.

Edited by neoamon on Mar 28th 2023 at 12:30:41 PM

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#72445: Mar 28th 2023 at 4:39:22 PM

There's a few questions that it seems only Archie and the live action movie have given an answer to:

  • Who gave and taught Knuckles his mission?
  • Who are Knuckles' parents? Was he an egg from the extinction until his birth?
  • What was the upkeep of his clan's lands between the extinction until now?
  • Was it a total extinction, or just a decimation to the point the population couldn't sustain itself over time?

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#72446: Mar 28th 2023 at 5:38:51 PM

Its sad because Sega just seems to see Knuckles (and most of the cast) as just extensions of Sonic and what he can do.

It truly feels like nobody's able to break out of their own.

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#72447: Mar 28th 2023 at 5:44:23 PM

I just finished Sonic Frontiers. I did just about everything there was in the game, final play time was around 35 hours. I'm not sure I feel about the game.

Has this thread talked about how The End's speech during the final fight is completely different between languages?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#72448: Mar 28th 2023 at 5:47:08 PM

Barely...

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#72449: Mar 28th 2023 at 5:47:12 PM

Sonic The Comic and Sonic The Comic Online seem to suggest that Pochacamac (Fleetway's name for Pachacamac) gave Knuckles the role as guardian of the seven Chaos Emeralds. Pochacamac made a deal with Vichama the Echidna's God of Death, Vichama would get passage onto the mortal plane if he made Knuckles immortal which allowed Knuckles to live the next eight thousand years as the guardian of the seven Chaos Emeralds.

Part of Knuckles job was to protect the Chaos Emeralds from a race of alien Fish People called the Drakons that left ruins on an island that was now abandoned on Sonic's world, they had advanced technology to access dimensions, they had giant mechanical soldiers, they created the Chaos Emeralds, one member of the Fish People transformed into a being made of water and Chaos energy called Chaos. The Ancients from Sonic Frontiers could be viewed as the Drakons good counterparts.

Edited by neoamon on Mar 28th 2023 at 1:56:54 PM

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#72450: Mar 28th 2023 at 5:57:43 PM

The main difference between THE END's speech is that in Japanese, it's a lot more straightforward and less poetic.

I feel like Archie seemed to go too far in the opposite direction from the games, in making everything either about Knuckles or the Freedom Fighters, with Sonic, Tails, and Amy being less important.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Mar 28th 2023 at 7:59:18 AM


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