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#72401: Mar 28th 2023 at 12:22:07 PM

Going gate-keeping won't help you know.

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#72402: Mar 28th 2023 at 12:33:59 PM

I'd like another Shadow game as long as they have a story that isn't just another delving into his origins

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#72403: Mar 28th 2023 at 12:35:12 PM

I'd like one where Shadow is basically just Kazuma Kiryu rather than discount Vegeta. It just suits him better that way.

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#72404: Mar 28th 2023 at 12:41:24 PM

The Sonic characters that should be recurring...and maybe even have "solo" adventures with Sonic to themselves never will be.

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#72405: Mar 28th 2023 at 12:46:51 PM

Honestly giving most of the other characters their own spin-off franchises would be for the best, but THAT level of franchise experimentation would be too much to ask of Sonic Team's ability.

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#72406: Mar 28th 2023 at 12:49:31 PM

I doubt that all of the Black Arms were on the comet when it exploded. So they could serve as mooks for some levels for Shadow.

Edited by neoamon on Mar 28th 2023 at 9:39:25 AM

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#72407: Mar 28th 2023 at 12:51:16 PM

I'm fine with Shadow appearing if there's actual reason for it...or as a joke cameo with him going, "Another of your crazy adventures? Tch, I'm out, tired of having to help you clean up your messes."

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#72408: Mar 28th 2023 at 12:54:02 PM

Going gate-keeping won't help you know

That is not what gatekeeping means...

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Mar 28th 2023 at 3:54:54 PM

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#72409: Mar 28th 2023 at 1:42:12 PM

Knuckles is and always was supposed to be recurring, and there is no reason to change that. Shadow is fairly more ambiguous, morally grey and often can be hinted as a secret antagonist so it makes sense for him to be less prominent.

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#72410: Mar 28th 2023 at 1:56:00 PM

I'm fine with Shadow appearing if there's actual reason for it...or as a joke cameo with him going, "Another of your crazy adventures? Tch, I'm out, tired of having to help you clean up your messes."

  • (Tails and Knuckles find Shadow sitting at a bar)
  • Tails: Excuse me, we're—
  • Shadow: Go fuck yourself.
  • (Tails and Knuckles exchange glances, then turn around and walk out)

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#72411: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:07:35 PM

[up][up] See, I question this because if he's meant to be a recurring character and part of Sonic's group of friends...then why is his primary character trait about literally be stuck at a singular location?

Particularly when the protagonists entire schtick is about Walking the Earth.

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#72412: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:12:24 PM

At this point either the status quo with Knuckles re: the Master Emerald needs to change, or he should be recurring less. Contriving yet another reason why he's on an adventure with the main cast just feels silly when there's probably an interesting character story about his mission in life now changing and perhaps he's not as tied to Angel Island anymore.

They want to do character development with the cast? Great; doing so with Knuckles and giving him a context outside the ME wouldn't be a bad way to start.

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#72413: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:14:34 PM

Flynn has always said that he's always wanted to drop the entire Master Emerald from Knuckles just to give him some more flexibility.

Can't say I disagree.

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#72414: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:16:01 PM

Yeah, but it is kind of the same thing with Silver the Hedgehog. Even though he can technically CHOOSE to exit his future, which is stupid because they often lampshade it. or Hand Wave it. Which makes him seem acasual to time, which completely contradicts his entire characterization in the first place. So if Silver is not reccuring due to Broad Strokes of "time travel" then why should Knuckles be confined to Angel Island? Plus, Knuckles has gone away from it several times? Most notably in Sonic Riders.

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#72415: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:17:27 PM

Its even worse with Silver so you're just proving my point. He is, by far, the most egregious example character shoehorning in this series.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Mar 28th 2023 at 5:18:11 AM

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#72416: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:19:11 PM

Okay. I am starting to understand why Flynn wants to drop the whole 'Knuckles constantly guarding the Master Emerald' concept. Along with the contradictory 'free-flowing future in a century's concept.

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#72417: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:25:00 PM

The Master Emerald should've been broken long ago.

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#72418: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:25:07 PM

Sega needs to stop trying to make every new character they introduce into a recurring one.

Its partially why Sage's revival annoys me a bit.

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#72419: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:27:17 PM

Nah...they can be recurring, they just shouldn't all show up at once.

Crowded stories always leave some characters grasping for interactions, characterization, and development.

My idea that characters should get "solo" stories with Sonic to themselves was more about giving them something that was low stakes and not a spin-off.

Edited by randomness4 on Mar 28th 2023 at 5:28:38 AM

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#72420: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:30:02 PM

I don't mind recurring characters but it becomes a problem when a character's story is pretty definitive and doesn't leave much room for further appearances...but they continue showing up anyway for increasingly contrived reasons.

Solo stories with Sonic are fine tho.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Mar 28th 2023 at 5:31:03 AM

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#72421: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:32:59 PM

I'd like one where Shadow is basically just Kazuma Kiryu

I misread that as "Goro Majima", since Shadow's not the main character of the series, and I laughed at the mental image of him going "Sonic~chaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Keeee-kekekekeke!"

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#72422: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:35:25 PM

Shadow everywhere huh

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#72423: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:37:02 PM

Regarding Knuckles, Frontiers might actually have a way to transition away from him being stuck on AI. Since it did add to the lore surrounding the Chaos Emeralds and by extension, the ME itself.

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#72424: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:39:14 PM

Now we just need to destroy the damn thing.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#72425: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:40:02 PM

...

Frontiers gave Knuckles an actual reason to not be on Angel Island...long after there being a bunch of games which didn't even bother to acknowledge it.

If he's off the island for casual reasons, better late than never.

Edited by randomness4 on Mar 28th 2023 at 5:40:51 AM

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